[1080jibber]

Originally Posted by Arkan

I don't understand your logic. There are millions of personnel (cops, agents, military, hunters, citizens....etc) in this country armed this very second. Are we in danger because one of them may get angry over a rusted paperclip?

"Normal" people know how to deal with the ups and downs of everyday emotions. Only the "unstable people" have trouble coping. Are you one of them?

I'm just say that anything can set us off, even yourself could be that person.
one day you may find your wife cheating on you, or you could lose your job, or that one guy at work that just keeps harassing you, or someone cuts you off in traffic. Your not just a danger to other, your also a danger to yourself.
You can sit there and say that wont be you, but normal people flip out too not just unstable people. It just takes one thing to make you the normal guy to the unstable guy.

[strvs]

Originally Posted by 1080jibber

I'm just say that anything can set us off, even yourself could be that person.
one day you may find your wife cheating on you, or you could lose your job, or that one guy at work that just keeps harassing you, or someone cuts you off in traffic. Your not just a danger to other, your also a danger to yourself.
You can sit there and say that wont be you, but normal people flip out too not just unstable people. It just takes one thing to make you the normal guy to the unstable guy.

i don't think guns have any relevance to this really, if they don't pick up a gun they're going to get a knife, bat, shovel etc.. normal people have been snapping for thousands of years.. it happens

i just don't see what guns have to do with it

[Arkan]

Originally Posted by 1080jibber

I'm just say that anything can set us off, even yourself could be that person.
one day you may find your wife cheating on you, or you could lose your job, or that one guy at work that just keeps harassing you, or someone cuts you off in traffic. Your not just a danger to other, your also a danger to yourself.
You can sit there and say that wont be you, but normal people flip out too not just unstable people. It just takes one thing to make you the normal guy to the unstable guy.

No, if i ever get that angry, i'll grab the person by the throat and squeeze the life out of them. Killing with a gun is for pussies.

...and if i lose my job, lady cheats on me, or i get cut off in traffic, that's nothing to lose your lid over. Be a man and suck it up.
Kill my kid however, now you have a problem.

[Bean 2]

Certainly if more kids had guns in Columbine or Virginia Tech, maybe they could have defended themselves during those fateful and tragic days. We should arm ourselves and our children with firearms for our protection. And im not talking about pussy ass pistols, im talking about huge automatic assault rifles. It may turn into a popularity thing at schools, like who has the bigger or cooler gun, but the positives surely outweigh the negatives. Also a class should be mandatory teaching children better accuracy with those guns if they ever need to use those guns. Vote Republican and God bless.

[[DAS REICH] Blitz]

Originally Posted by Bean 2

Certainly if more kids had guns in Columbine or Virginia Tech, maybe they could have defended themselves during those fateful and tragic days. We should arm ourselves and our children with firearms for our protection. And im not talking about pussy ass pistols, im talking about huge automatic assault rifles. It may turn into a popularity thing at schools, like who has the bigger or cooler gun, but the positives surely outweigh the negatives. Also a class should be mandatory teaching children better accuracy with those guns if they ever need to use those guns. Vote Republican and God bless.

I agree.

[anti]

Originally Posted by Arkan

No, if i ever get that angry, i'll grab the person by the throat and squeeze the life out of them. Killing with a gun is for pussies.

...and if i lose my job, lady cheats on me, or i get cut off in traffic, that's nothing to lose your lid over. Be a man and suck it up.
Kill my kid however, now you have a problem.

you're so tough.


i don't have an opinion. i would imagine i might feel safer walking through a dangerous neighbourhood with a gun in my pocket; but i would imagine i'd feel pretty uncomfortable if some dude had a gun in his pocket sitting next to me at chuck-y-cheeses. no, it's not that i'm a pussy. i grew up with shotguns and rifles. it's just that the idea of everyone walking around with guns makes me feel uncomfortable. i don't know. no handguns here in canadaland and it's working out quite well.

Originally Posted by Bean 2

Certainly if more kids had guns in Columbine or Virginia Tech, maybe they could have defended themselves during those fateful and tragic days.

pointless argument. those kids we're fucked up. they would have found other ways to take out their targets if everyone in class was carrying. making bombs can't be hard.

[Arkan]

Originally Posted by anti

you're so tough.

and you're an idiot

[Chronic Diarrhea]

pointless argument. those kids we're fucked up. they would have found other ways to take out their targets if everyone in class was carrying. making bombs can't be hard.

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold made bombs, and they did not detonate Although I see your point about defending yourself against a bomb, it's not the preferred method. Most people are too stupid to make anything, much less a bomb that requires some knowledge of chemistry and mechanics. Gun shootings are far easier, so it's not a pointless argument to say that lives could have been saved. VT killings would have likely been reduced to 3-4 if there had been one person with a CCL in that classroom.

[Bean 2]

Originally Posted by anti

you're so tough.


i don't have an opinion. i would imagine i might feel safer walking through a dangerous neighbourhood with a gun in my pocket; but i would imagine i'd feel pretty uncomfortable if some dude had a gun in his pocket sitting next to me at chuck-y-cheeses. no, it's not that i'm a pussy. i grew up with shotguns and rifles. it's just that the idea of everyone walking around with guns makes me feel uncomfortable. i don't know. no handguns here in canadaland and it's working out quite well.




pointless argument. those kids we're fucked up. they would have found other ways to take out their targets if everyone in class was carrying. making bombs can't be hard.

My response was satirical :P, i dont think we should arm our children with firearms.

[anti]

Originally Posted by Bean 2

My response was satirical :P, i dont think we should arm our children with firearms.

yeah that was pretty obvious, but your first sentence is used a lot in these types of debates.

Originally Posted by Chronic Diarrhea

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold made bombs, and they did not detonate Although I see your point about defending yourself against a bomb, it's not the preferred method. Most people are too stupid to make anything, much less a bomb that requires some knowledge of chemistry and mechanics. Gun shootings are far easier, so it's not a pointless argument to say that lives could have been saved. VT killings would have likely been reduced to 3-4 if there had been one person with a CCL in that classroom.

yeah i see your point. to me though when these people are fucked up like they are; there's a lot of preporation and planning that goes into what their plans. learning how to make a bomb for them i'm sure would be a fun filled learning experience.

Originally Posted by Arkan

and you're an idiot

i know you don't mean it, it's all that testosterone build up inside of you saying it.

[Arkan]

Originally Posted by Chronic Diarrhea

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold made bombs, and they did not detonate Although I see your point about defending yourself against a bomb, it's not the preferred method. Most people are too stupid to make anything, much less a bomb that requires some knowledge of chemistry and mechanics. Gun shootings are far easier, so it's not a pointless argument to say that lives could have been saved. VT killings would have likely been reduced to 3-4 if there had been one person with a CCL in that classroom.

I agree with someone at VT being armed that may have prevented some of those tragic deaths. I wonder how many people realize that the gunman in the recent Israel school shooting was stopped by a student/staff member with a gun and NOT an Israeli commando/policeman which was reported on the news. We can't have that info flying around here in the US because it would back up the idea of letting students CCW on campus.
If the general public is uncomfortable with 21 yr olds carrying a weapon in school, why not raise the age limit to 23 or 24 for CCW on campus? Hell, we have no problems giving 18 yr old "kids" rifles and guns and shipping them over seas to do battle so why not allow them to CCW on campus when they reach a certain age?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpSUBE3lMPM

I wonder if the "University of Utah" has any problems with violence against students. I'm betting you won't see another VT incident there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlD0J...eature=related

[[DAS REICH] Blitz]

is CCW legal? i thought some states don't allow you to carry guns on you at all?

[Arkan]

Originally Posted by [DAS REICH] Blitz

is CCW legal? i thought some states don't allow you to carry guns on you at all?

Sure, CCW is legal in most states.

[m00nraker]

Originally Posted by Arkan

Sure, CCW is legal in most states.

I know it is very heavily regulated, if allowed at all, in Illinois. There is also one other state that bans it, I want to say its Wisconsin, but Im not positive.

[Colonel]

Well, until they figure out a way to prevent strong young men from breaking into the homes of weak old men, I say we keep the right to own handguns ... since they are a great equalizer ....

As an example, this from the Atlanta paper a couple of days ago ...

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Elderly Tucker man had struggled with burglar

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution


It was about 11:30 p.m. one night this week when 81-year-old Robert Jenkins heard someone break down the door of his Tucker home.

Jenkins, a retired state transportation worker, grabbed is .38-caliber pistol from a bedroom closet and confronted a lone intruder in the kitchen.

"When he saw me, he said, 'Give me that gun,'" Jenkins recalled Friday. "Then he lunged at me, so I shot him."

The first bullet hit the man in the chest, Jenkins said, "but he kept lunging for me and beating me" in the head and chest.

"So I shot him again," Jenkins said. That bullet hit the intruder in the neck.

"I just wondered how much longer he was going to live because I saw blood flowing out across the floor," Jenkins said by phone from the hospital. "It seemed like an hour, but I guess it was 45 seconds, and he was dead."

Peggy Jenkins, 71, was in the couple's bedroom dialing 911.

"I heard two shots," she said. "I knew someone was dead."

That someone was 25-year-old Jynard Marshall, an Atlanta man who broke into the elderly couple's home near Lawrenceville Highway on Tuesday night. Marshall previously had served prison time on a robbery and drug conviction in Fulton County.

DeKalb County police said the shooting was justified and they did not plan to charge Robert Jenkins, who accidentally fired a shot through his hand and hit his head during the struggle.

He was treated and released from Grady Memorial Hospital on Wednesday, but was being treated at Emory University Hospital on Friday for dehydration and mild bleeding on the brain. He expects to be released today.

If it happened again, "I'd do the exact same thing," Robert Jenkins said. "But I hope I don't have to."
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And for your further reading pleasure:

This is a link to the briefs filed from both sides of the issue in this week's Supreme Court case.

http://www.nraila.org/heller/

And, this is the link to the transcript from the Supreme Court. It is a fascinating to read. Take the time to read this one if you want to learn the facts as they are, not as you may want them to be.


http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_a...pts/07-290.pdf