[Machette]

Hey you go tell those french citizens that witnessed years of rioting in the 60s and 70s to march peacefully..also not to mention last year..If the government passed this bill are you just going to walk the streets with candles hoping that the government will listen?..the media wouldn't even cover this event if it was that way and thats not what these protestors want...they WANT to be heard and this is unfortunately the only way. If you want to march non-violently sure go for it but be sure to bring nearly a million people with you..this is a reckless bill and these riots are attempting to resolve it. If you consider me over the top fine thats your opinion. Like I said before if this bill was to pass in Canada I would down right be pissed. You have to question why the fuck they would want to pass a bill that allows companies to fire teenagers easier. oOo:

[Coleman]

that's like saying, "Oh that's alright. Let those Iraqi's kill themselves with car bombs. Its in their history. Let them do it. it's the only way they'll be heard." or "Oh let those Muslims riot over those cartoons. It's the only way they can get their point accross to the world."

rolleyes: and my opinion still stands

[Machette]

Originally Posted by Coleman

that's like saying, "Oh that's alright. Let those Iraqi's kill themselves with car bombs. Its in their history. Let them do it. it's the only way they'll be heard." or "Oh let those Muslims riot over those cartoons. It's the only way they can get their point accross to the world."

rolleyes: and my opinion still stands

I was waiting for the infamous Muslim cartoon rights protest..firstly those protest clearly got out of hand people ended up dying and death threats were made etc only a few non-violent marches took place during that time by muslims in certain countries..this is a 1,000 person protest...and even with that amount of people protesting aggressively, Chirac is still rallying behind his prime minister on the bill..so do you really think a non-violent protest would get the point across?

Civil disobedience works best to show the oppressor that he is doing wrong..But Chirac is acting to stubbornly.

[c312]

I think they proved that nonviolent protests can work as well if not better than violent protests back in Birmingham. oOo:

[Sgt>Stackem]

[quote="Machette"]

They are rioting for a good cause if you ask me...[quote]



thats a nice statement, all this time I have wasted writing politicans, I should have burned my neighbors car and he should have burned mine.

[geRV]

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":f4a52]

Originally Posted by Machette

They are rioting for a good cause if you ask me...[quote:f4a52]



thats a nice statement, all this time I have wasted writing politicans, I should have burned my neighbors car and he should have burned mine.

[/quote:f4a52][/quote:f4a52]

I'll burn both your cars, and your houses while im in the mood, all for the low one time price of $50. rock:

[Nyck]

you do realize this is a Work trial Bill. Most employers have a 30 or 90 work trial period in which they can let you go or you can leave at anytime for any reason. Hell Britan has a 1 year probation period right now The french Gov't just wants to pass it for 2 years,

"Villepin says the law will help reduce unemployment among the young, now running at 22.8 percent, more than twice the national rate. Youth unemployment was widely seen as a cause of riots in poor suburbs last year."

This gives employers the ability to hire more people to their staff as "temp" workers without the fear of having to shell out severence packages for workers who dont pan out.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/17/ ... blabor.php

"Roubaud is not the only one who has taken advantage of the new contract, which so far applies only to the 2.4 million French companies with fewer than 20 employees."

This bill can be very beneficial, but Im sure most french youth think much like yourself machette and blindly see just the surface of OH MY GOD MCDONALDS AND BURGER KING CAN JUST FIRE ME FOR NO REASON BECAUSE IM UNDER 26, BURN THE TOWN!!!

so please kindly go fuck yourself mr righteous

[Sgt>Stackem]

[quote=geRV]

Originally Posted by "Sgt>Stackem":86956

I'll burn both your cars, and your houses while im in the mood, all for the low one time price of $50. rock:

[/quote:86956][/quote:86956]



bring it on,


I have a gun and a shovel and know how to use both



BTW I only have 1 house

[geRV]

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":5bed1][quote=geRV]

Originally Posted by "Sgt>Stackem":5bed1

I'll burn both your cars, and your houses while im in the mood, all for the low one time price of $50. rock:

bring it on,


I have a gun and a shovel and know how to use both



BTW I only have 1 house[/quote:5bed1][/quote:5bed1][/quote:5bed1]

Referring to your "neighors" house as well since you referenced his car.

[Machette]

Originally Posted by Nyck

you do realize this is a Work trial Bill. Most employers have a 30 or 90 work trial period in which they can let you go or you can leave at anytime for any reason. Hell Britan has a 1 year probation period right now The french Gov't just wants to pass it for 2 years,

"Villepin says the law will help reduce unemployment among the young, now running at 22.8 percent, more than twice the national rate. Youth unemployment was widely seen as a cause of riots in poor suburbs last year."

This gives employers the ability to hire more people to their staff as "temp" workers without the fear of having to shell out severence packages for workers who dont pan out.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/17/ ... blabor.php

"Roubaud is not the only one who has taken advantage of the new contract, which so far applies only to the 2.4 million French companies with fewer than 20 employees."

This bill can be very beneficial, but Im sure most french youth think much like yourself machette and blindly see just the surface of OH MY GOD MCDONALDS AND BURGER KING CAN JUST FIRE ME FOR NO REASON BECAUSE IM UNDER 26, BURN THE TOWN!!!

so please kindly go fuck yourself mr righteous

Making fun of someone in a political debate to further achieve your point = oOo: stupid:

I don't see why any bill should exist. And I love Sgt>Stackem's response..don't worry Americans have rioted for even worse reasons = guns n roses concert didn't show up or because a sports team won some grand prize...real good reason to tear up a city..give me a fucking break you guys rolleyes: Hearing non-violent marches from you hawks only makes me laugh.

[c312]

It doesn't matter what the reason is behind it, violent protests only hurt your chances of achieving your goal. And wtf is with all this hawk shit, no one likes violent protests

[Machette]

When innocent people die..things get out of hand. That's ultimately why I changed my stance on the muslim cartoon issue. My stance always seems to be for the underdog in a issue and it may always be that way but I can't find any necessary justification for such a bill to exist..even if it is for a burger king or a mcdonalds.. Also I know many of you on this board despise me and thats alright but please refrain from idiotic lashes at your opponent it only makes you look ignorant.

[geRV]

Originally Posted by Machette

When innocent people die..things get out of hand. That's ultimately why I changed my stance on the muslim cartoon issue. My stance always seems to be for the underdog in a issue and it may always be that way but I can't find any necessary justification for such a bill to exist..even if it is for a burger king or a mcdonalds.. Also I know many of you on this board despise me and thats alright but please refrain from idiotic lashes at your opponent it only makes you look ignorant.

[img]http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/heartsandminds/ifyouaskme/images/15-05-03cartoon8.gif[/img]

[Nyck]

"I can't find any necessary justification for such a bill to exist"

Because for a smaller company it costs a ton to let someone go if they don't work out for the company.

"Roubaud knows that firsthand. In his 33 years as head of Simonet, he said, he has fired only four people. Twice, the dispute involved years of legal wrangling; in one case the costs matched his company's annual profit."

It helps lessen all these bullshit legal procedings if someone doesnt fit the mold of the company they cant sue if they are let go.

"the contract not only discourages companies from hiring and firing, it also discourages employees from leaving jobs voluntarily - not least because severance payments that increase with seniority make it advantageous to be fired."

A company is more likely going to hire you and let you work there for two years to see if you fit before offering you a full time job, than if they had to decide in 3 months whether you fit the job. At that point in order to fire you they would have to offer you a years pay or so.

This bill allows companies to hire more people "risk free" in order to weed out suck employees and find some good quality people.

So this bill is actually creating more job for younger people. Jobs that companies would not have offered before if they had to make a decsion in 90 days.

It takes some of the risk out of hiring younger people at small companies which could be ruined if someone takes them to court for serverance pay because they were let go.

EVERY country EVEN CANADA has this type of law, some are longer than others.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/L-2/199680.html#rid-199727

^ canadians have 90 days, if a company wants to let you go after 90 days they have to give you a minimum of 2 weeks pay.

[Machette]

How can it be only for smaller companies?

Stuff like this that makes me think..

[code:09196]Unemployment among the under-25s runs at more than 22 per cent of the workforce in France - double the rate in Britain - but tops 50 per cent in some of the immigrant suburbs where last year's riots began.

But students and trade unions have been infuriated by the law, which they say will merely give employers a source of cheap labour while eroding France's tradition of labour protection. Some of the protesters gathering this morning were wearing T-shirts with the slogan: "Knock-down prices".[/code:09196]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 14,00.html