God's Written Word, 3 things to consider - Page 2

Mr.X · 08-10-2002, 03:19 AM

...hey fella, ok...so your brain has been successfully washed.... congratulations,
however.....speaking as one still in the spin cycle of life....lay off the Bible-bashing. You're just another fanatic.....anyways, peace to you and yours

*MoG*Quartus · 08-10-2002, 03:25 AM

[quote="Mr.X":cd79e]...hey fella, ok...so your brain has been successfully washed.... congratulations,
however.....speaking as one still in the spin cycle of life....lay off the Bible-bashing. You're just another fanatic.....anyways, peace to you and yours

[/quote:cd79e]

No one forced you to read the posts. Aren't we all fanatics, just the subject changes.

GreatWhiteDisappointer · **...And Charelton Heston casts the first stone... -** 08-10-2002, 03:36 AM

The bible, like the Koran, is an interpretation of morality by a group of people held up as life examples... but not necessarily of examples of purity, as exampled by the stories of David, Cain and Abel, et al.

In the case of the bible, the "creationists" began over time to use it as their proof of God, Jesus, Heaven and Hell; constructs that were meant to enforce both the stories of morality and control of the people in a "Church verses State" struggle for validation.

I have no personal belief that coincides with the stereotypical God & Jesus model, but have taken notice of the issues relating to humane morality expressed in its "stories" or "parables". They, IMHO, are a good start to creating a guide to human morality, but are by no means complete...that is something that all humanity should be working towards for a clear direction for all races, creeds and colours.

If you want to look at an alternative, look up "Altruism" in the dictionary. It is a far harder code to adhere to, and no interpretation of the term can be used to justify wars, rapes, deaths, destructions, and any other action that will directly disregard another person's life...

Mr.X · 08-10-2002, 03:56 AM

[quote="*MoG*Quartus":11a72]No one forced you to read the posts. Aren't we all fanatics, just the subject changes.[/quote:11a72]

...actually, no....we are not. And not all "subjects" presume to be the only truth about the past, present and future....of everyone.
.... you pester people on the street about this...don't you.... :roll:

SoLiDUS · 08-10-2002, 04:01 AM

*MoG*Quartus, thank you for confirming my every assumptions. I see
no hope in helping you wisen up without repeated interventions so I will
quit now before you throw more bible references at me. :lol:

Have fun with your make-believe heaven... and yes, I am familiar with
Pascal's wager, so don't "enlighten" me. I still don't believe in simplistic
human-made stories meant to scare the peasants into obedience and
subservience by the men in power.

Consider this: you have most likely sinned hundreds of times in the
course of your life so far... how do you plan on getting into Heaven ?
Oh, right... the priest "wipes" them away. Yup... really neat system
God has eh ?

Weird. I would have thought a supreme intellect would have a better
way of going about things, wouldn't you agree ? Oh wait... you won't
think about it, you'll just look it up in THE book and give me some
non-sense answer. Do yourself a favor and don't bother mm'kay ?

Von Paulus · 08-10-2002, 05:11 AM

Pfft... God Schmod...

Chronic Diarrhea · 08-10-2002, 09:38 AM

OK, I sense some anger here but I'm going to write a few paragraphs so stay with me...

A few months back I was going through some old books and came across a devotional for teens. I read the first "day" and have read it almost every day since then. Now granted I have always been a Christian and have been baptized and everything, but I rarely turned to Christ for guidance. Since I have started reading this devotional, I have made an attempt to talk to God every day and change myself to become a better person. Now I turn to God for guidance and submit myself to the Holy Spirit for additional guidance. Doing these things has improved my life more than I could have ever imagined. It has given me so much more confidence in my life by turning to Christ for all the obstacles that I come to in my life.

Now about the eternal life deal. I do not believe that there is a narrow path to heaven and a wide path to hell. Our God is a forgiving God, and as long as you repent your sins and accept Christ as your Savior, God wil forgive you. God will forgive you because that's how much he loves you. Why would he have created you if he didn't love you? Sure, God flooded the world once because of all the sinful activities going on in the world. But He has promised us to never do such a thing ever again. It hurts God to see all the sin that he sees, but even before he created us, he knew that was going to happen. I don't think that you have to go to church every Sunday, say your prayers every day, and praise God every day to be a Christian. All you have to do to spend your eternity with God is to accept Him into your heart, submit yourself to the Holy Spirit, and accept Jesus as your Savior that died for you sins. It's that easy? Why? Because Christ wants to havea relationship with you. He wants to spend time with you. He wants to make you a better person.

I'm not going to lie to all of you here. I use profanity. I look at girls and think lustful thoughts. I watch stuff on TV and listen to stuff on the radio that I shouldn't. I have been violent at times with my family members. I occasionally use the Lord's name in vein. I lie. I commit all of these sins and more, and I don't have a choice; it's human nature to be sinful. But I repent for my sins on a daily basis, and I praise God on a daily basis, and I tell God how much I love Him. I don't do these thing because I'm afraid that I will go to hell if I don't, I do all of these things because I sincerely love God. I sincerely believe in Him. I sincerely believe that God is closer than I can ever imagine. He is closer than my skin, He is closer than my thoughts, He is closer than my family and friends. I love God. I love Jesus. I have improved my life dramatically over this summer by making my relationship with Christ closer. And that gives me confidence that I will spend my eternity in Heaven with the King of kings.

Sorry that this was so long. For anybody that read this all the way through, I thank you for listening to my thoughts.

Pfc.Green · 08-10-2002, 09:48 AM

Has anyone seen God? did'nt think so.

Chronic Diarrhea · 08-10-2002, 09:53 AM

[quote="Pfc.Green":d5e66]Has anyone seen God? did'nt think so.[/quote:d5e66]

No, I haven't. But he is real because Jesus came and said so. Now you might think that's dumb to assume God is real just becaue Jesus said so, but that's what I think. Jesus wasn't just an ordinary person, you know. He created dozens and dozens of miracles in his lifetime.

Pfc.Green · 08-10-2002, 09:56 AM

[quote="Chronic Diarrhea":08fa0][quote="Pfc.Green":08fa0]Has anyone seen God? did'nt think so.[/quote:08fa0]

No, I haven't. But he is real because Jesus came and said so. Now you might think that's dumb to assume God is real just becaue Jesus said so, but that's what I think. Jesus wasn't just an ordinary person, you know. He created dozens and dozens of miracles in his lifetime.[/quote:08fa0]

...right... I bet Jesus, burped lightning and farted fire :roll:

Chronic Diarrhea · 08-10-2002, 09:59 AM

Well I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. I can't make you believe that Jesus made miracles during his lifetime. But it's your view and I respect that, unlike other Christians that would jump all down your throat about it.

Pfc.Green · 08-10-2002, 10:02 AM

Did you see these miracles?, you mean to tell me you trust the word of a book that cant be proven to be true?

Chronic Diarrhea · 08-10-2002, 10:08 AM

I'm not even going to get into a religion argument with you...

Low spark · 08-10-2002, 10:36 AM

Is is for some to believe in a God, but to think all of the answers are found in a book, is a little hard to swallow. I was 16, questioning everything, the exsistience of God was doubtful. My minister said that that it does'nt make any difference if you believe in a God or not, it's whether God believes in you.
I am sorry but im going to sterotype here. I have met many who have tried to convert me to the particular cult of Christianity. But for the most part the these people a some the most bigoted, hateful, unforgiving people have ever met. So when I see someone that can only quote the bible to give an answer, I question their sincerity.
The bible maybe their turth, but therer are millions of people in the world with a different brand of truth.
I will not condem person for being different than I, whether it be religous belief, race, nationality,sexual preference. We are not perfect, and no book contians turth.
Enjoy

Chronic Diarrhea · 08-10-2002, 11:01 AM

That's well said Spark. Like I said, I respect Green's opinion about the miracle deal. I don't think any less of him now. I don't assume that he is not a Christian. I don't assume that he is going to hell. To tell you the truth, I don't consider myself a Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Catholic, whatever. I consider myself a Christian, and in the end, it doesn't really matter. And you comment about the bigotry, you're right in a way. I have met some Baptists that are snobs to anybody else that is not Baptist. I think it's ridiculous.