Anyone else upset at how the MOHAA community is turning out? - Page 3

Gr@yh@wk · 01-02-2002, 07:52 AM

I never have seen so much kids playing sutch a game. I remember a thread on the offical ofp (operation flashpoint) forum. The question was how old u are. I was by far the youngest (14). The rest where mostely 20+. (I've read that the average gamer is 28(!)).

I've been watching this forum since yesterday and already have seen 5 kids younger than 12! If this goes on, mp is gonne be full of cheaters like cs. *sigh*

FrAgMaN · 01-02-2002, 07:52 AM

I Agree with the likes of siggi and all the other muture people,i to am one of the older guys, I used to play DOD thats why i like this kind of game ,And i joined a clan on DOD,only to find out 2weeks later that my clan leader was only 14 years old i got a son his age

so now i hardly ever play it,
Not because i dont like the game but because of all the kids there are....

And like u siggi im a il2 sturmovik nut ,And i to think they are much older...

Oh well wat could have been. WAS'iNT

Colt · 01-02-2002, 08:17 AM

jeez, I am getting tired of people saying because they are under 12 they are cheats...

Its not the age that controls whether they are cheats or not, its the type of people they are that determines if they are cheats or not!

People who are 30+ can cheat just as much as people 12-.

[EDIT] I love OFP, because its not a shoot everything you see game. Its really hard and challenging and you have to keep your team alive to keep yourself alive, it rules

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[This message has been edited by Colt (edited January 02, 2002).]

Mithrandir · 01-02-2002, 08:24 AM

Yeah, WWII flight sims... I remember about 6 years ago (I'm 16 now), I was hooked on this Dynamix-made flight sim called Aces of the Pacific. Played it till my joystick broke. I bought IL-2 a few days ago, but I had to return it since my really-low-end system (P2 333, 128MB RAM, useless) couldn't run it. Oh well.

b0n0 · 01-02-2002, 08:24 AM

12 year olds dont cheat?

Wolfshook · 01-02-2002, 08:28 AM

Colt, I really do respect your decision not to play a game with "camping", however I must try to explain this to you.

There is no such thing as "camping" in a realistic game. As a game moves away from Quake, and towards the more realistic games, such as Ghost Recon, OPF, and to a slightly lesser extent MOH and DOD, you get realistic combat situations.

In these games, bullets are usually one shot one kill, as they are in real life. Those who wish to truly play these games, and act out modern (or WW2) military tactics, defend a strategic objective, so as to not allow the enemy to gain a foothold on their territory.

Setting up a line of defense is very hard to do, and requires patience, skill, and teamwork. Those defending a line against the enemy must be crack shots, so as to deny the enemy the ability to return fire, or to even deny the enemy the ability to understand where the fire is coming from.

Patience is needed to wait on the enemy to return, and not get up and blow your cover. You must lie still, to deny the enemy the ability to locate your person, and nail your brain pan with a small piece of steel.

Teamwork is essential to this working, as it is the only way that you can push back flank attacks against your weakest defensive positions. Multiple people defending a wide territory, are brutal against the enemy, when they have skill, patience, and teamwork going.

This is what Germany did so successfully in WW2, defending it's territory against massive odds.

This is what alot of us like to try to do in realistic games. It's not camping, it testing out tried and true military tactics. And, it works...especially against mad kids screaming about camping.

Later,

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Dr.Ziodberg · 01-02-2002, 08:32 AM

Excellent wolfshook, excellent my friend...

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Colt · 01-02-2002, 08:43 AM

Wolfshook, as you describe camping it isn't. However with camping I mean abusing the map bugs, lying in spots where you can shoot from but others can't shoot you because there is some invisible wall or something, I should have explained what I meant more clear.

There definately is a difference between the sorts of camping, I meant the bad way of camping, not the good one; defending a strategic objective.

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Gr@yh@wk · 01-02-2002, 09:15 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Colt:
jeez, I am getting tired of people saying because they are under 12 they are cheats...

Its not the age that controls whether they are cheats or not, its the type of people they are that determines if they are cheats or not!

People who are 30+ can cheat just as much as people 12-.

[EDIT] I love OFP, because its not a shoot everything you see game. Its really hard and challenging and you have to keep your team alive to keep yourself alive, it rules

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MOST cheaters are under 16 though. o, and ofp is not hard.

AlphaLeader · 01-02-2002, 10:14 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by SS.SGW-Siggi:
I'm afraid it's just a fact of life as far as the whole FPS scene is concerned. Youngsters go for shooters, the older players go for air-combat sims.
Another fact of life...youngsters are, by definition, immature. That's what leads to all the hacking and cheating we see in most popular FPS's.

Yep...it sure sucks being an adult around here. Fortunately MoH is just a light diversion for me. My real passion is WW2 air combat, and Il2 fills that spot very well just now.

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im not that old but i dont cheat or hack. im straight. wait tilli act like im their friend adn I send them a virus. lol.

AlphaLeader · 01-02-2002, 10:15 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Hotspur:
I was just thinking the same thing. The trick is, I guess, to try to ignore the amazingly ignorant and offensive conversation that goes on as people wait to respawn. But it is very hard to ignore.

In the last week or so this has degenerated so much it is shameful. When you have one kid calling another "Nig..." or "Jew" or "Fag" it is bad enough, but when the majority of the players are participating it is really a drag.

These kids are ignorant, small minded, racist and homophobic, and proud of it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

nig? jew? now thats too much. maybe calling someone a fag is alright. but being a racist isnt.

AlphaLeader · 01-02-2002, 10:23 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Colt:
14 years old, never played CS h8 it, kinda got bored of DoD because of all the noumerous TK/camp/other assholes who screw the game up.

I never played a spray and prey game, always tactical shooters where you gotta use some brains.

I am no "CS Kiddie" I am a kid who enjoys FPS shooters.

Remember that most of the CS cheaters are adults, small kids don't even posses the knowledge to make cheats for CS, or even use them cause none of them is really easy to use.

Just play the game, and if you don't like the community leave it for what it is. CS assholes can't spoil MOH:AA Single player for ya, now can they?

And if you want a no asshole server, call it like that, and not an adult only server or something...

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um small kids got no brains? like 8 right?
cause im not old as you but i know how to make a cheat. but i dont resort to cheating. it just makes the game boring and everyone will hate you. theres no reason to cheat.

AlphaLeader · 01-02-2002, 10:27 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Hotspur:
The problem isn't kids per se.

The problem is rude, racist, homophobic people. Having said that, it is clear that most of the time - not all - these ugly statement are from kids.

But if a kid acts decently I am sure that everyone posting here would be happy to play with him.

Finally what ever happened to positive comments like: "good shot"? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

thats what im talkin bout.

SS.SGW-Siggi · 01-02-2002, 10:29 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Colt:
jeez, I am getting tired of people saying because they are under 12 they are cheats...

Its not the age that controls whether they are cheats or not, its the type of people they are that determines if they are cheats or not!

People who are 30+ can cheat just as much as people 12-.

[EDIT] I love OFP, because its not a shoot everything you see game. Its really hard and challenging and you have to keep your team alive to keep yourself alive, it rules

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"It's not the age that controls whether they are cheats or not..."

I beg to differ. A young person, of any tender age and from any location, has yet to transition thru the sociological evolutionary process that develops morals and integrity.

In general, muggers (for instance) are young. Older people, even hardened crooks, usually avoid such types of crime because they have developed an awareness over time of just how low it is to knock an old lady to the ground and steal her handbag.

Ditto cheaters; youngsters in general are unaware of just how much frustration and anger their antics cause other people. The evolution of their moral infrastructure takes years to fully develop...until that happens most of them are obnoxious brats, as was I and everyone I know. It's a process that can rarely be hurried or circumvented.

It would just be nice if they could somehow be kept off certain servers. Have all the known foul-mouths and cheats restricted to special servers where they can float, plasma-cannon and hide under ground to their little hearts' content.

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AlphaLeader · 01-02-2002, 10:30 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Wolfshook:
Colt, I really do respect your decision not to play a game with "camping", however I must try to explain this to you.

There is no such thing as "camping" in a realistic game. As a game moves away from Quake, and towards the more realistic games, such as Ghost Recon, OPF, and to a slightly lesser extent MOH and DOD, you get realistic combat situations.

In these games, bullets are usually one shot one kill, as they are in real life. Those who wish to truly play these games, and act out modern (or WW2) military tactics, defend a strategic objective, so as to not allow the enemy to gain a foothold on their territory.

Setting up a line of defense is very hard to do, and requires patience, skill, and teamwork. Those defending a line against the enemy must be crack shots, so as to deny the enemy the ability to return fire, or to even deny the enemy the ability to understand where the fire is coming from.

Patience is needed to wait on the enemy to return, and not get up and blow your cover. You must lie still, to deny the enemy the ability to locate your person, and nail your brain pan with a small piece of steel.

Teamwork is essential to this working, as it is the only way that you can push back flank attacks against your weakest defensive positions. Multiple people defending a wide territory, are brutal against the enemy, when they have skill, patience, and teamwork going.

This is what Germany did so successfully in WW2, defending it's territory against massive odds.

This is what alot of us like to try to do in realistic games. It's not camping, it testing out tried and true military tactics. And, it works...especially against mad kids screaming about camping.

Later,

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thanks, you just told alot for me.