[LoneGunner87]

And also when i was watching it i didnt see neo or that other women anywhere???

[ED]

There are two modes of thought in regards to THE MATRIX;

Either it's a MATRIX within a MATRIX, or ZION IS real. Either one is needed for the machines, since conflict defines us as humans and is neccesary. Those aware of the matrix create a sort of subtle chaos within the MATRIX that cancels out the "perfection" that is rejected by humans. Like the old adage "it's quiet, too quiet". As humans we have a NEED for their to be SOMETHING, anything. Perfection, and peace is ALWAYS eyes suspiciously.

As far as THE ARCHITECT, why would he be human? Humans didn't create the MATRIX, the machines did.

The argument could be made that THE ARCHITECT is so sure of what is to occur because it is programmed that way. As far as time is concerned, the machines shouldn't have any concern for that, but felt the need to equate it to NEO in terms he could understand, marking time from "anomoly" to "anomoly". The use of the word "anomoly" further ambigues whether or not the real world is the matrix.

And SMITH taking over others minds; if someone is jakced in, it's not too far-fetched to think some sort of "signal feedback' could warp the mind of whoever is infected - which is to say SMITH isn't in BAINS mind, but his single-intent and purpose is. Having said that I sure am interested to know how the hell SMITH got where he was at the end.

And when NEO reached THE SOURCE he would reset THE MATRIX, effectively shutting it down, or getting CONTROL of it, thereby taking the power of the best control tool away from THE MACHINES.

And all the different PROGRAMS out there. They could be a movie all of themselves. As far as FRENCHIE being TOO frenchie. He's a PROGRAM, and he could have designed himself that way.

And the trialer for REVOLUTIONS looked KICK-ASS.

[SoLiDUS]

It's going to r0x0r your b0x0rz.

I offer you gentlemen a gift: the complete conversation between Neo and
the Architect:

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Architect: Hello Neo

Neo: Who are you?

Architect: I am the Architect. I created the Matrix. I have been waiting for you. You have many questions and although the process has altered your consciousness you remain irrevocably human, ergo some of my answers you will understand and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question maybe the most pertinent you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

Neo: Why am I here?

Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent in the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden deciduously avoided it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you inexcerably here.

Neo: You haven’t answered my question.

Architect: Quite right. Interesting, that was quicker then the others.

Neo: Others? (What others? How many? Answer me)

Architect: The Matrix is older then you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next. In which case this is the sixth version.

Neo: Then there are only two possible explanations, either no one told me, or no one knows.

Architect: Precisely, as you are undoubtedly gathering the anomaly is systemic. Creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

Neo: Choice, the problem is choice.

Architect: The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect; it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus, I redesigned it, Based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However I was again frustrated my failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another, and intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo: The Oracle

Architect: Please, as I was saying she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99 percent of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at an unconscious level. While this answered function it was obviously fundamentally flawed thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly. That if left unchecked might threaten the system itself, ergo those that refuse the program while the minority if unchecked would cause an escalating probability of disaster.

Neo: This is about Zion

Architect: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo: Bullshit

Architect: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it. And we have become exceedingly efficient at it. The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry reinserting the prime program after which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix. Which, coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo: You won’t let it happen, you can’t. You need human beings to survive.

Architect: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However the relevant issue is whether you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world. It is interesting reading your reactions. Your 5 predecessors were by design based on a similar predication a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way your experience is far more specific, Vis a vie love.

Neo: Trinity

Architect: Apropo, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

Neo: No

Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors, the door to your right leads to the source and the salvation of Zion, the door to your left leads back to the matrix to her and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know we you are going to do don’t we? Already I can see the chain reaction the chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth, she is going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness.

Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don’t meet again.

Architect: We won’t.

[ninty]

oOo:

I think I juse made me even more confused, but good job soli.

There are a couple things I take away from briefly looking that over.

1) The Architect is not human. He refers to "your nature", and asid he required a lesser mind to develop the matrix because he was striving too hard for perfection.

2) Neo, or someone in his exact position has done the same thing 5 times before since he says "Quite right. Interesting, that was quicker then the others. " That was pretty obvious though.

3) "The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry reinserting the prime program after which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female 7 male, to rebuild Zion."

This is almost like what the key maker was talking about. remember he was killed and said he had served his purpose, Neo's purpose is to get to the source and restart life, however he choses trinity. there's all that talk about choice. It must be concluded that the previous Neo's chose to save Zion instead f Trininy, otherwise they would not be there doing this all over again...right?

"Your 5 predecessors were by design based on a similar predication a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way your experience is far more specific, Vis a vie love."

Its pretty obvious that the others were not in Love, and therefore coped better with sacrificing thier friends in order to save zion.

So all in all Neo choses to save trinity and sacrifice zion and everyone attached to the matrix, from what we can assume. right now, this doesn't make sense to me. It seems like Neo made the wrong choice. if he goes to the source, humans can live on etc. When he saves trinity he basically said screw 6 billion people and went to save 1. Now from what we can tell there are only a handfull of people left. Maybe 10 or 12 on that one ship.

I don't think this is feasble for the movie. there must be some catch, and in some way the humans will survive and the machines will die...right now it doesn't look that way though.

[SoLiDUS]

It's a catch 22: Zion is destroyed no matter how you look at it.

If he chooses to save all humans: Zion is destroyed, he chooses people to
"re-populate" the new Zion and the Matrix is then reloaded.

If he chooses to save Trinity: Zion is destroyed, the Matrix is not reloaded,
killing all humans. The machines already have a contingency plan in place
if Neo decides that his love is more important: perhaps they have a back-up
Matrix with a few other humans somewhere untouched by the present Matrix?
hrmm...

[BloodBorn]

All that is just more confusing then enlightening :/

but a great find on the Neo&The Architect speach biggrin:

This is also why it was called Matrix : Reloaded but in a way the matrix never did get reloaded as we have seen.

So Matrix: Revolutions must should be about Neo's revolutianray power (perhaps all human beings can do what he did and in that sense become weapons against the machines) . Cause think about it........the human body is basically a battery right? so why shouldn't it be able to discharge once in a while with certin consequences (ie. Neo's koma).

This will be an interestin conclusion to this Trilogy

holy shit, this thing already made 40 million in less than 24 hours! ed:

[BloodBorn]

Originally Posted by Sclass12

holy shit, this thing already made 40 million in less than 24 hours! ed:

Hopefully it's gonna break the 300 million barrier that the titanic made.

damnit........of all movies titanic had to pull in 300 mil, it's friggin incredible how most people spend money to go and watch that crappy movie (as well as buy the Collectors Edition Video/DvD).

All i can say.......i'm gonna watch Matrix : Reloaded at least two more times biggrin:

[Pyro]

lol my head hurts

[ninty]

Yeah, a catch 22.

Ether way, were really not doing very well.

Using logic however, Neo's choice wouldn't stand up. But since this is a movie, and Neo will pull something out of his ass, it'll work and everyone will be happy.

I never even really gave much thought to the titles of the movies. I doubt we'll beable to actually understand why each part is called revolution and reloaded until the trillogy is complete.

[Himmler]

saw it yesterday

[Old Reliable]

i went in the theater and took a dump, then left

[Ferich]

I personally thought the movie was dumb. The irrelevant Sex scene mixed in with the corny dancing. I threw up. Then joined in on the corny dancing. But still, threw up.

[BallisticWookie]

Loved it. fire2: zooka: M16: cool:

[Bucknub]

I saw it last night.... awesome, awesome fighting scenes,, the highway scene was fuckin incredible, my god, it was fockin awesome.