[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

ok the term 'get over it' wasnt cool and was harsh. the main thing im trying to say is that they shouldnt get this much attention after the war when so many more were violated. Where is the sympathy for the Chinese and other people of S Asia? Japan hasnt made any formal apologies for what they did, but instead try to stir sympathy for themselves because the US dropped two atomic bombs on them. I think the Jews should grieve for what happend, but the rest of the world needs to focus elsewhere.

I think western society grasps onto the holocaust because it's a lesson learnt that seems alot closer to home. I'm sure events like the rape of Nanking, etc, and other major atrocities against the Chinese are remembered to a point in Asia, although, it's hard to fathom another societies views, so I really don't know.

To me, the holocaust sums up all other world atrocities in a clear cut case, that doesn't mean that other genocides in the world should just be forgotten - I don't agree with special treatment of the memories of that particular atrocity over others, although It does seem alot closer to home for me.

[rdeyes]

Originally Posted by BeanerMan

One of the reasons we are seen as arrogant around the world.

D-day .... the reason these camps were shut down. i didnt see the French army rushing to fight the germans, maybe the russians would have gotten to these camps at some point , but the main reason these camps were liberated was because of Americans and British ,Candian soldiers coming ashore at Normandy. Dam right we're arrogant

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by rdeyes

D-day .... the reason these camps were shut down. i didnt see the French army rushing to fight the germans, maybe the russians would have gotten to these camps at some point , but the main reason these camps were liberated was because of Americans and British ,Candian soldiers coming ashore at Normandy. Dam right we're arrogant

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[Innoxx]

Originally Posted by Tripper

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What he said. You really don't know what the fuck you're jabbing on aboot.

[Eight Ace]

Given the magnitude of what was done and the pure evil behind it, I don't mind if the
Jews or anyone else remind us of the holocaust as long as there are people on earth.

Those who are accusing Jews of hogging the atrocity lime-light while Russians, Poles, gays, gypsies and
others are not remembered, remember them yourselves if you really feel that strongly, contact their governments
about it, meanwhile thank the Jews for also reminding us where these others were brutalised and slaughtered.

As far as "getting over it", ..as Tripper pointed out, many survivors are still alive, and their families
have had to live with it too, they've found no peace in Israel and have to deal with anti-semitic wankers
in most other places around the globe...not exactly what I'd call closure.

To anyone who feels this remembrance is totally ruining their lifestyle...stiff shit.

[bukdez]

Originally Posted by rdeyes

D-day .... the reason these camps were shut down. i didnt see the French army rushing to fight the germans, maybe the russians would have gotten to these camps at some point , but the main reason these camps were liberated was because of Americans and British ,Candian soldiers coming ashore at Normandy. Dam right we're arrogant

the Russians liberated Auschwitz dip-shit...
[url:a4a45]http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2005/01/28/leaders_mark_auschwitz_liberation?pg=2[/url:a4a45]

and the French, having already been defeated had little option to resist, oh and by the way they did resist, do you think the makers of MOHA:AA just conjured the idea of a French Resistance out of thin air?...

[bukdez]

[quote="Eight Ace":86974]Given the magnitude of what was done and the pure evil behind it, I don't mind if the
Jews or anyone else remind us of the holocaust as long as there are people on earth.

Those who are accusing Jews of hogging the atrocity lime-light while Russians, Poles, gays, gypsies and
others are not remembered, remember them yourselves if you really feel that strongly, contact their governments
about it, meanwhile thank the Jews for also reminding us where these others were brutalised and slaughtered.

As far as "getting over it", ..as Tripper pointed out, many survivors are still alive, and their families
have had to live with it too, they've found no peace in Israel and have to deal with anti-semitic wankers
in most other places around the globe...not exactly what I'd call closure.

To anyone who feels this remembrance is totally ruining their lifestyle...stiff shit.[/quote:86974]

nothing in this world has caused me greater direct emotional empathy than watching an old man reach to pay for his groceries and seeing his concentration camp tattoo...

[Tripper]

[quote="Eight Ace":e76b4]Given the magnitude of what was done and the pure evil behind it, I don't mind if the
Jews or anyone else remind us of the holocaust as long as there are people on earth.

Those who are accusing Jews of hogging the atrocity lime-light while Russians, Poles, gays, gypsies and
others are not remembered, remember them yourselves if you really feel that strongly, contact their governments
about it, meanwhile thank the Jews for also reminding us where these others were brutalised and slaughtered.

As far as "getting over it", ..as Tripper pointed out, many survivors are still alive, and their families
have had to live with it too, they've found no peace in Israel and have to deal with anti-semitic wankers
in most other places around the globe...not exactly what I'd call closure.

To anyone who feels this remembrance is totally ruining their lifestyle...stiff shit.[/quote:e76b4]

Abso-fucking-lutely summed up right there, I agree totally^^^

[CoMaToSe]

[quote=Proteus]

Originally Posted by "Sgt>Stackem":3e69a

please dont confuse him with US

Holy shit, excuse me. I didn't know that I wasn't allowed to not take a day out of week to express my sadness for those who have died. Just because the holocaust isn't a major concern to me doesn't mean I don't think it happened or I don't care that we went to war and stopped it. Sorry I didn't put RIP at the end of my post..[/quote:3e69a]
No, we dont mind that, your allowed to have your opinion nazi fuck But we just dont want this INTERNATIONAL community to think that that is the prevailing view of americans.

also, Im tired of people saying the americans are just as bad for dropping atomic bombs on japan. If we hadn't, we would hve had to invade and even more peeps would have died. there are some good books out there that should be read about the pacific war, "Flyboys" by James Bradly is the best, IMP.

[Short Hand]

[quote=bukdez]

Originally Posted by "Eight Ace":ec229

Given the magnitude of what was done and the pure evil behind it, I don't mind if the
Jews or anyone else remind us of the holocaust as long as there are people on earth.

Those who are accusing Jews of hogging the atrocity lime-light while Russians, Poles, gays, gypsies and
others are not remembered, remember them yourselves if you really feel that strongly, contact their governments
about it, meanwhile thank the Jews for also reminding us where these others were brutalised and slaughtered.

As far as "getting over it", ..as Tripper pointed out, many survivors are still alive, and their families
have had to live with it too, they've found no peace in Israel and have to deal with anti-semitic wankers
in most other places around the globe...not exactly what I'd call closure.

To anyone who feels this remembrance is totally ruining their lifestyle...stiff shit.

nothing in this world has caused me greater direct emotional empathy than watching an old man reach to pay for his groceries and seeing his concentration camp tattoo...[/quote:ec229]

True to that. For me it was when we had the former owner of Bick's (Pickle Company), come in and tell us his story of how he survived the holocaust and lost his entire family to it. He told us about getting off the rail carts, and being seperated at auschwitz from his mother and sister, He wondered what happned to them, when he later asked a fellow inmate in his bunk, the man brought him outside and pointed to the smoke. I found it to be the most powerful story that I had ever heard. "Get Over it", you say ? .. What you should really be saying is "how can I not forget it". It is not only a scar for the Jewish community of the world, but a scar on us all, a testament to our own complete failure to prevent such events.

[Jimbo@]

Originally Posted by rdeyes

D-day .... the reason these camps were shut down. i didnt see the French army rushing to fight the germans, maybe the russians would have gotten to these camps at some point , but the main reason these camps were liberated was because of Americans and British ,Candian soldiers coming ashore at Normandy. Dam right we're arrogant

IGNORANT IGNORANT IGNORANT IGNORANT


Where were you when they were passing out brains? rolleyes:
You're watching too many movies buddy.

[Sgt>Stackem]

Sadaam Insane was doing this very same thing for years

[CoMaToSe]

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":3262f]Sadaam Insane was doing this very same thing for years[/quote:3262f]

beer:

[Jin-Roh]

If anyone is interested. Take a look at the Ustasha (Croat) Genocide; even today, the Croations deny it ever happened.

http://www.southslavjournal.com/mah.html
http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/jasenovac/

[Machette]

Anyone ever hear of Robert Fourrasa? (I think thats his name)He was an ex-prof at the University of Paris and got kicked out because of the lecture he gave about how there was no holocaust he then wrote a book on how there was no holocaust, only reason I heard about him was because it was in a video documentary on Noam Chomsky..