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Pyro · 06-29-2004, 12:50 AM

[quote=Arkan]

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_Polemarcus":fb249]Well that should be enough logic for you then...

At one point Iraq had the capability to take over the entire middle east. The allied forces forcefully removed the Republican Guard and liberated Kuwait. 12 years later, we are in this situation. Granted no WMD's have been found yet, but important officials had serious reasons to believe the bath party had WMD's in their posession. 12 years after the fact, humiliated by defeat, Hussein would have every reason to use those weapons on the middle east and any opposing forces... now i know hind sight is 20/20, but what IF he had them, what IF we did nothing, and what IF they were used. If anything learn from our previous mistakes.

1919 The treaty of versailles was signed limiting the germans for establishing a military

In the years to come the German Military would build the most powerful navy and airforce in the world, while everyone just sat back and watched... What IF we took action sooner?

WHy not North Korea before Iraq?

Shit, good one. Perhaps we'll blow those fuckers up next!! Don't ya just love those slanty-eyed fuckers?[/quote:fb249]

I don't think appearence should be used in any conjuction with this discussion.

[GDC]_Polemarcus · 06-29-2004, 12:50 AM

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WHy not North Korea before Iraq?[/quote:36dca]

Because there is still hope of peace. There is still limited negotiation. Atleast they allowed inspectors.

Pyro · 06-29-2004, 12:51 AM

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WHy not North Korea before Iraq?[/quote:dcdec]

Because there is still hope of peace. There is still limited negotiation. Atleast they allowed inspectors.[/quote:dcdec]

Well, at least war is being used as a last resort.

Arkan · 06-29-2004, 12:53 AM

[quote=Pyro]

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_Polemarcus":536c8]Well that should be enough logic for you then...

At one point Iraq had the capability to take over the entire middle east. The allied forces forcefully removed the Republican Guard and liberated Kuwait. 12 years later, we are in this situation. Granted no WMD's have been found yet, but important officials had serious reasons to believe the bath party had WMD's in their posession. 12 years after the fact, humiliated by defeat, Hussein would have every reason to use those weapons on the middle east and any opposing forces... now i know hind sight is 20/20, but what IF he had them, what IF we did nothing, and what IF they were used. If anything learn from our previous mistakes.

1919 The treaty of versailles was signed limiting the germans for establishing a military

In the years to come the German Military would build the most powerful navy and airforce in the world, while everyone just sat back and watched... What IF we took action sooner?

WHy not North Korea before Iraq?

Shit, good one. Perhaps we'll blow those fuckers up next!! Don't ya just love those slanty-eyed fuckers?

I don't think appearence should be used in any conjuction with this discussion.[/quote:536c8]

Why not? It makes all the sense in the world. Perhaps some blind guy is being read this thread and unbeknownst to him is the fact that the North Koreans have a distinct shape to their eyes. He would then get a good visual of the whole picture !

[GDC]_Polemarcus · 06-29-2004, 12:53 AM

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Well, at least war is being used as a last resort.[/quote:c2bb0]

As it should be. War is a terrible thing. But dont get me wrong, N.Korea isnt exactly the most cooperative group. The inspectors didnt last long, they got kicked out.

Madmartagen · 06-29-2004, 12:55 AM

[quote="[GDC]_Polemarcus":dc55a]Well that should be enough logic for you then...

At one point Iraq had the capability to take over the entire middle east. The allied forces forcefully removed the Republican Guard and liberated Kuwait. 12 years later, we are in this situation. Granted no WMD's have been found yet, but important officials had serious reasons to believe the bath party had WMD's in their posession. 12 years after the fact, humiliated by defeat, Hussein would have every reason to use those weapons on the middle east and any opposing forces... now i know hind sight is 20/20, but what IF he had them, what IF we did nothing, and what IF they were used. If anything learn from our previous mistakes.

1919 The treaty of versailles was signed limiting the germans for establishing a military

In the years to come the German Military would build the most powerful navy and airforce in the world, while everyone just sat back and watched... What IF we took action sooner?[/quote:dc55a]

Iraq was pretty much a shit place anyways, thats why they invaded Kuwait in the first place. They had all kinds of toys, but they werent a match for the entire middle east. They were barely able to defeat Iran (which is a good reason why they're poor) at all. Saddam needed to be ousted, but we had our chance 13 years ago and we could have also gone in there during the time when Saddam violated the terms of the cease-fire. IMO there is no link between Saddam and Bin Laden. They dont like eachother, we dont even know if they ever had a relationhsip to begin with. The insurgents we are fighting in Iraq are either Al Queda or backed by them. They would not have this opportunity if Saddam was still in power. That being said, it would have been best to finish Bin Laden, Mullah Omar and the rest of the Taliban and Al Queda before we would move into Iraq (if it was necessary at all.) I dont believe there are WMD's in Iraq that were up for sale to terrorists. I dont believe that Saddam was funding or working with the Taliban or Al Queda. Operations in Afghanistan didnt start until Oct 13, a whole month AFTER 9/11. Bin Laden prolly went underground the night before 9/11. We had several chances to kill him in both Clinton and Bush's administration. I forgot what I was going for here, so Im going to wait for a response oOo: .

Pyro · 06-29-2004, 12:55 AM

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_Polemarcus":f8426]Well that should be enough logic for you then...

At one point Iraq had the capability to take over the entire middle east. The allied forces forcefully removed the Republican Guard and liberated Kuwait. 12 years later, we are in this situation. Granted no WMD's have been found yet, but important officials had serious reasons to believe the bath party had WMD's in their posession. 12 years after the fact, humiliated by defeat, Hussein would have every reason to use those weapons on the middle east and any opposing forces... now i know hind sight is 20/20, but what IF he had them, what IF we did nothing, and what IF they were used. If anything learn from our previous mistakes.

1919 The treaty of versailles was signed limiting the germans for establishing a military

In the years to come the German Military would build the most powerful navy and airforce in the world, while everyone just sat back and watched... What IF we took action sooner?

WHy not North Korea before Iraq?

Shit, good one. Perhaps we'll blow those fuckers up next!! Don't ya just love those slanty-eyed fuckers?

I don't think appearence should be used in any conjuction with this discussion.

Why not? It makes all the sense in the world. Perhaps some blind guy is being read this thread and unbeknownst to him is the fact that the North Koreans have a distinct shape to their eyes. He would then get a good visual of the whole picture ![/quote:f8426]

Many any races have the same slant to their eyes. It is just as pathetic as using that Micheal Moore is fat as a point in an argument against him.

[GDC]_Polemarcus · 06-29-2004, 12:58 AM

[quote:d18d7]We had several chances to kill him in both Clinton and Bush's administration. I forgot what I was going for here, so Im going to wait for a response oOo: .[/quote:d18d7]

There's that whole hind sight thing biting us in the ass again.

Coleman · 06-29-2004, 01:00 AM

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didn't read through all these pages, but I'd definately go to war if my country called for me. If I don't go, who will, right?

Would you go for any reason though? Is there any possible situation that you might ever say no?[/quote:9b0a9]Well, Pyro since you and more than half aa.com knows I support the war in Iraq, I would go on my own feelings that something needs to be done there. Even if it was some other place that I may not "feel is right" i'd go. Call me a puppet or whathaveyou. I just have faith in my country's leaders that they're trying to do the best for the majority and not some other reason. That's why the leader is in power; they're elected because the people have faith in their abilities (let's not split hairs with the electoral college here).

Madmartagen · 06-29-2004, 01:04 AM

[quote="[GDC]_Polemarcus":42b6f][quote:42b6f]We had several chances to kill him in both Clinton and Bush's administration. I forgot what I was going for here, so Im going to wait for a response oOo: .[/quote:42b6f]

There's that whole hind sight thing biting us in the ass again.[/quote:42b6f]
Yeah, but I really dont like bringing that up because its the blame game again. What our govt should do is realize their mistake and fix it before its too late. There are brighter people than myself who can figure out what to do next, but I dont see a winning situation in Iraq. With no real regime in Iraq now, its going to be guerilla tactics from now on. Our troops are not safe there at all, especially if we have squads of 5 men guarding checkpoints at each block. We lost alot of the local support because we went in there pretty heavy handed and blew alot of shit up. We need to replace more of out troops with local Iraqis, but as you can see, they get blown up by the busloads every week. But, if you look back to the 70's, replacing US Marines with ARVN troops didnt work out either.

Arkan · 06-29-2004, 01:04 AM

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Iraq was pretty much a shit place anyways, thats why they invaded Kuwait in the first place. They had all kinds of toys, but they werent a match for the entire middle east. They were barely able to defeat Iran (which is a good reason why they're poor) at all. Saddam needed to be ousted, but we had our chance 13 years ago and we could have also gone in there during the time when Saddam violated the terms of the cease-fire. IMO there is no link between Saddam and Bin Laden. They dont like eachother, we dont even know if they ever had a relationhsip to begin with. The insurgents we are fighting in Iraq are either Al Queda or backed by them. They would not have this opportunity if Saddam was still in power. That being said, it would have been best to finish Bin Laden, Mullah Omar and the rest of the Taliban and Al Queda before we would move into Iraq (if it was necessary at all.) I dont believe there are WMD's in Iraq that were up for sale to terrorists. I dont believe that Saddam was funding or working with the Taliban or Al Queda. Operations in Afghanistan didnt start until Oct 13, a whole month AFTER 9/11. Bin Laden prolly went underground the night before 9/11. We had several chances to kill him in both Clinton and Bush's administration. I forgot what I was going for here, so Im going to wait for a response oOo: .

I agree somewhat of what you said but.....

I believe there were WMD's in Iraq before we invaded. Saddam had plenty of time to move them elsewhere. Being there is such a sticky topic because nothing of great value was found there, but speaking to friends who spent months in Iraq, they claim most Iraqi's are happy we're there. They just want to go to work and make money to support their families. The news harps all over the minorities who cause the trouble for the troops over there. Hopefully for everyone's sake, a stable government can be established and the people of Iraq can police themselves.

guarnere · 06-29-2004, 01:14 AM

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Keep it civil.

Madmartagen · 06-29-2004, 01:15 AM

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Please, stop quoting dance:

Why ?

I meant the quotes that were taking up half a page.

Arkan · 06-29-2004, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Arkan

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Originally Posted by "[GDC

_Polemarcus":a2ae6]Well that should be enough logic for you then...

At one point Iraq had the capability to take over the entire middle east. The allied forces forcefully removed the Republican Guard and liberated Kuwait. 12 years later, we are in this situation. Granted no WMD's have been found yet, but important officials had serious reasons to believe the bath party had WMD's in their posession. 12 years after the fact, humiliated by defeat, Hussein would have every reason to use those weapons on the middle east and any opposing forces... now i know hind sight is 20/20, but what IF he had them, what IF we did nothing, and what IF they were used. If anything learn from our previous mistakes.

1919 The treaty of versailles was signed limiting the germans for establishing a military

In the years to come the German Military would build the most powerful navy and airforce in the world, while everyone just sat back and watched... What IF we took action sooner?

WHy not North Korea before Iraq?

Shit, good one. Perhaps we'll blow those fuckers up next!! Don't ya just love those slanty-eyed fuckers?

I don't think appearence should be used in any conjuction with this discussion.

Why not? It makes all the sense in the world. Perhaps some blind guy is being read this thread and unbeknownst to him is the fact that the North Koreans have a distinct shape to their eyes. He would then get a good visual of the whole picture ![/quote:a2ae6]

Many any races have the same slant to their eyes. It is just as pathetic as using that Micheal Moore is fat as a point in an argument against him.[/quote:a2ae6]

I never said them having slanty eyes was an argument against them. Go back and re-read what i wrote and you'll see the err of your ways.

Madmartagen · 06-29-2004, 01:17 AM

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Iraq was pretty much a shit place anyways, thats why they invaded Kuwait in the first place. They had all kinds of toys, but they werent a match for the entire middle east. They were barely able to defeat Iran (which is a good reason why they're poor) at all. Saddam needed to be ousted, but we had our chance 13 years ago and we could have also gone in there during the time when Saddam violated the terms of the cease-fire. IMO there is no link between Saddam and Bin Laden. They dont like eachother, we dont even know if they ever had a relationhsip to begin with. The insurgents we are fighting in Iraq are either Al Queda or backed by them. They would not have this opportunity if Saddam was still in power. That being said, it would have been best to finish Bin Laden, Mullah Omar and the rest of the Taliban and Al Queda before we would move into Iraq (if it was necessary at all.) I dont believe there are WMD's in Iraq that were up for sale to terrorists. I dont believe that Saddam was funding or working with the Taliban or Al Queda. Operations in Afghanistan didnt start until Oct 13, a whole month AFTER 9/11. Bin Laden prolly went underground the night before 9/11. We had several chances to kill him in both Clinton and Bush's administration. I forgot what I was going for here, so Im going to wait for a response oOo: .

I agree somewhat of what you said but.....

I believe there were WMD's in Iraq before we invaded. Saddam had plenty of time to move them elsewhere. Being there is such a sticky topic because nothing of great value was found there, but speaking to friends who spent months in Iraq, they claim most Iraqi's are happy we're there. They just want to go to work and make money to support their families. The news harps all over the minorities who cause the trouble for the troops over there. Hopefully for everyone's sake, a stable government can be established and the people of Iraq can police themselves.

TY Guarnere...

I agree with WMD's being in Iraq before the 2003 invasion, they were prbably hidden in the sand with the MiGs. I do not, however, believe that at any time they were up for sale to anyone. Saddams military was too important to him, important enough to let his people starve before giving up his weapons.