[Bleuachdu]

Originally Posted by ninty9

It depends on the situation.

I have no sympathy for a whore who goes around sleeping with every guy and ends up pregnant.

But for someone who gets raped, that is a different story.

Basically if it was preventable like through not sleeping with everyone or using some type of protection, tough shit. You made the decision, you deal with it. However these people will probably be horrible arents and that raises another issue. But does that give them the right to take its life?

For people who are raped, thats a tough situation. Perhaps having the child and giving it up for adoption is a better idea than an abortion. I don't know.

I'm not going to read this entire thread, but I've got to agree with this.

[SoLiDUS]

Originally Posted by Ferich

Pro Choice. People get raped, you know..


LOL at that picture.

Ditto

[Stinger_Dude]

-GLITCH-

[Akuma]

I'm pro-choice, not pro-abortion. It's not our decision what mothers to with their baby. I could really careless. The world is way over populated as it is, soon the earth's carrying capacity will be exceeded and most of the human race will be wiped out.

[SoLiDUS]

I think we need to set a couple of things straight; namely why abortion is an
action which I believe to be a matter of choice, and nothing else.

The main strength of the anti-abortionist crowd seems to be the idea that
'Life' has a specific value; something they use as often as possible in the
hopes of rallying more people to their cause, which seems to be removing
the freedom of choice from the hands of the free. My main gripe with their
so-called argument is this: who said Life was sacred ? Who says Life has a
specific value / quality making it so special that the mere idea of stopping
it's development is to be an unthinkable act, cruel to the eyes of even the
immoral and unethical among us ? The answer is no one: no person living
on this planet can tell you otherwise.

Religious fanatics and improperly educated / highly moral and ethical
people would like you think Life has an intrinsic quality to it, however
this is as far as it can go, until proof of a higher purpose to existence
is discovered and proven beyond doubt.

Let me test you: is incest wrong ? The correct answer is, of course, no.
Undoubtedly, many of you did not hesitate to blurt out YES, which is a
fallacious answer. If you need an elaboration on this topic, I will adress
it at a later time... but until then, chew on the abovementioned.

Originally Posted by SoLiDUS

Let me test you: is incest wrong ? The correct answer is, of course, no.
Undoubtedly, many of you did not hesitate to blurt out YES, which is a
fallacious answer. If you need an elaboration on this topic, I will adress
it at a later time... but until then, chew on the abovementioned.

uhh... please make a new topic on this so i may be amazed by your wisdom oOo:

lets see...

remove abortion: ull have crazy amounts of younge teenage girls ruining their lives trying to take care of some baby. another needle in the heart of society.

keep abortion: everyones happy except of course the bible thumpers.

i try and not think about it unless i have to, and right now id say her and i are pretty fucking clear (considering there is no sex).

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[quote:b5074]Then my girlfriend said something to me. She told me to imagine myself in her shoes, walking around after the baby begins to show. All of the people you know whispering behind your back calling you a whore or saying how horrible it is or how careless you were. And to imagine the looks from people when we walked around together or attended church.[/quote:b5074]

Ab. So. Lute. Bull. Fucking. Shit.

Is this Pro-Choices new tagline, "Avoid uncomfortable subtle stares and snickers in pucblic - HAVE AN ABORTION!". When did this fucking country become so god damn weak?

A fetus isn't a life? Now we're grasping at straws since a fetus is a living organism. Oh but right, it cant count to 10 so it's not wholly human or worthy of any kind of consideration. And yes, abortions within the first trimester are a little more HUMANE than those applied AFTER the first trimester (when the child has a fully developed brain and heart - but youre right I can still see how it's an unhuman thing), but [url=http://www.abortiontv.com/themanyways.htm:b5074]go here[/url:b5074] to see the many humane and WODERFUL ways we now have of aborting babies; most eyeopening is the picture of a "CANDY APPLE BABY" - fun for all.

And lets not forget that abortions DO go wrong and babies ARE born (sometimes late in the pregnancy), and doctors have the enviable task of killing the unsuccesfully aborted chillens.

We can run around screaming "Pro-Choice" all we want, but guess what, there is only ONE choice being made here out of a possible 3. So the minority can always win. What a fair system we have set up.

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[quote:9c04e]The main strength of the anti-abortionist crowd seems to be the idea that
'Life' has a specific value; something they use as often as possible in the
hopes of rallying more people to their cause, which seems to be removing
the freedom of choice from the hands of the free. My main gripe with their
so-called argument is this: who said Life was sacred ? Who says Life has a
specific value / quality making it so special that the mere idea of stopping
it's development is to be an unthinkable act, cruel to the eyes of even the
immoral and unethical among us ? The answer is no one: no person living
on this planet can tell you otherwise.[/quote:9c04e]

By your logic then, I can take away YOUR freedom to live without feeling any remorse of feelings of guilt; by an "absence of right" I an only excercising control over something that has no definable value and thus can be seen as meaningless.

I wonder, if your logic would hold up were your family to be killed and those you loved, and their killer claimed this very thing.

[pest]

I used to be hard core pro-choice. I find that more and more I am turning anti-abortion. The choice should have been at conception. I used to say that the fetus wasnt a person, its doesnt have rights, etc. Well wait until you have a child that you want. You track its progress, you form an attachment. If some dude hit my pregnant wife across the stomach with a basball bat and killed my baby, it woulb be just that - killing - and I would respond accordingly. Try to go thru the process of lossing a baby and then tell me it wasnt alive.

There are times when it might be appropriate, but they are the exceptions. I am not a bible thumper, I am not a "sensitive" guy. Abortion isnt the answer for overpopulation any more than random executions is. At this point, I am not going to say that I am anti-choice, but my support is soft, and fading.

[Old Reliable]

Could it be that people view a fetus not as a living thing because it is ugly compared to a baby? Something that doesn't look like us doesn't count as murder

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[quote="Old Reliable":0566d]Could it be that people view a fetus not as a living thing because it is ugly compared to a baby? Something that doesn't look like us doesn't count as murder[/quote:0566d]

On the contrary. If you kill a pregnant woman, and subsequently kill the child, you WILL be charged with a double homocide.

Strange that we're able to differentiate between the two situations.

[Zoner]

If I could interrupt the debate for a second...

Please don't post links to disturbing imagery (yes, I'm looking at you, Cap Busta).

I realize the intention is to shock people, but this forum is NOT Consumption Junction or any other gross pic site. Please keep it that way.

Ok...carry on.

[Argon]

Wow whatta topic. Personally I think its a women's right to choose and last I checkerd none of us who come on this forum are women, so its easy to through your opinion around.

I personally don't think an embryo or fetus is life, Until that kid comes out of the "playdoo fun factory of life" and breathes on his own he's just another parasite living off his mother.

[ED]

Originally Posted by Argon

Wow whatta topic. Personally I think its a women's right to choose and last I checkerd none of us who come on this forum are women, so its easy to through your opinion around.

I personally don't think an embryo or fetus is life, Until that kid comes out of the "playdoo fun factory of life" and breathes on his own he's just another parasite living off his mother.

How long did it take you to get your PhD? That's one helluva medical opinion you have there.

And the weight of a womans emotional "connetivety" to a child is thrown around ALL THE TIME. "Oh the woman forms an attachment...", "The woman doesn't want to part with it - ".

Etc.

What about the Mans right to chose. Oh I forget, we're not sharing childbirth, we're just handing over sperm to be used and to not be used.

And I question the removal of the links Zoner. It's not "disturbing imagery just to be a prick", its relevant to the topic at hand. Hold on though, let me find some cartoon-abortion pics with pink and sunshine and a happy clone aborting a happy baby, so that noone thinks an abortion topic is anything BUT happy.