Gun control

geRV · **Gun control -** 01-22-2003, 12:34 PM

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pest · 01-22-2003, 12:37 PM

LOL - Aint it the truth.

Pfc.Green · 01-22-2003, 12:47 PM

Thats great, lol.

redhawk_six · 01-22-2003, 01:01 PM

Well, gun control sure as hell works for Canada:
Compare handgun murders, for example:
Canada: average of 45 a year
USA: average of over 7000 - 9000 a year

Low spark · 01-22-2003, 01:03 PM

These people from the Pittsburg PA. area are laughing too.

Low spark · 01-22-2003, 01:04 PM

These people from the Pittsburgh PA. area are laughing too.

12/05/2001 Craig Owens, 24, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Garfield.
12/06/2001 Brian Moore, 29, was killed by a gunshot wound to the face in Verona.
12/09/2001 Robert Conroy, 48, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the trunk in Brookline.
12/14/2001 Michael Evaneago, 48, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Wilkinsburg.
12/19/2001 Paula Poellnitz, 38, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Hill District.
12/20/2001 George Lee, 88, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Scott Township
12/23/2001 Sean Kostef, 24, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Moon Township.
1/12/2002 Mary Wieczorek, 70, was killed by a gunshot wound to the face in North Fayette.
1/12/2002 Lawrence Reilly, 50, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Wall.
1/12/2002 Jerry Anderson, 50, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in the Stanton Heights section of Pittsburgh.
1/12/2002 John Wieczorek, 79, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Coraopolis.
1/12/2002 Chris Washabaugh, 16, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in North Fayette.
1/18/2002 Shonne Matthews, 24, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
1/23/2002 Eugene Roney, 31, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in McKeesport.
1/23/2002 Vigie Patterson, 77, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Bethel Park.
1/25/2002 Taylor Coles, 8, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the chest and abdomen in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
1/25/2002 Parrish Freeman, 35, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
1/26/2002 Thomas Michell, 31, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
2/4/2002 Robert Pesano, 32, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Scott.
2/9/2002 Jean Jones, 39, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Highland Park section of Pittsburgh.
2/11/2002 Terry Gibbs, 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Penn Hills.
2/12/2002 Marvin Williams, 37, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Lawrenceville section of Pittsburgh.
2/12/2002 Gerald Jones, 32, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Mount Washington section of Pittsburgh.
2/16/2002 Jerrery Nichok, 20, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in Duquesne.
2/18/2002 Kenneth Sharp, 23, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the head and trunk in West Mifflin.
3/11/2002 Armond Gustave, 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Strip District section of Pittsburgh.
3/12/2002 Mark Holtz, 23, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Millvale.
3/15/2002 Orlando Greene, 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the East Liberty section of Pittsburgh.
3/15/2002 Tanya Cook, 16, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in North Versailles.
3/16/2002 Dominique Johnson, 16, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
3/17/2002 Dolores Munger, 65, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Forward.
3/21/2002 Ronold Thomas, 34, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in the West End section of Pittsburgh.
4/5/2002 Andre McBryde, 21, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the neck and shoulder in Duquesne.
4/9/2002 Joseph Lucas, 48, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Monroeville.
4/10/2002 Aldo Zulian, 41, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest in Brookline.
4/14/2002 Edward Sullivan, 57, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Munhall.
4/14/2002 Lamer Finch, 25, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
4/15/2002 Larry Giles, 26, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest in Wilkinsburg.
4/16/2002 Lorraine Knapp, 76, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in the Garfield section of Pittsburgh.
4/18/2002 Paul Roth, 80, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in the Hazelwood section of Pittsburgh.
4/22/2002 Joseph Parks, 39, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
4/30/2002 Justin Perminter, 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the back in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
5/2/2002 David Stull, 47, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Liberty Boro.
5/11/2002 Robert Hinish, 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the South Side section of Pittsburgh.
5/11/2002 Martin Lineman, 44, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Richland.
5/15/2002 Tyrone Wells, 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Wilkinsburg.
5/15/2002 Jason Griffin, 17, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
5/15/2002 Richard Valko, 60, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the mouth in Munhall.
5/24/2002 Tilithia Johnson, 14, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Carrick.
5/30/2002 James Malloy, 20, was killed by a gunshot wound to the abdomen in the East Liberty section of Pittsburgh.
5/30/2002 Cynthia Scott, 42, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the neck and trunk in Duquesne.
5/30/2002 Frank Gornick, 57, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Gibsonia.
6/1/2002 Mark Kennedy, age 37, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Forward.
6/2/2002 Erik Bryant, age 19, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in East Hills.
6/2/2002 Darrell Wilson, age 21, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Lawrenceville section of Pittsburgh.
6/8/2002 Charles Burkhart, age 41, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Whitehall.
6/11/2002 Robert Delbianco, age 59, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Whitehall.
6/12/2002 Ronald Wray, age 39, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Forward.
6/13/2002 James Adams, age 20, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds in the Garfield section of Pittsburgh.
6/13/2002 Michael Balint, age 23, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Verona.
6/15/2002 Deborah Melletta, age 37, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Clairton.
6/20/2002 Piece Dumas, age 19, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Penn Hills.
6/20/2002 Kevin Coates, age 17, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
6/25/2002 Carol Mellon, age 53, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in White Oak.
6/26/2002 Norris Jones, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Braddock.
6/27/2002 Daniel Moore, age 39, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in McCandless.
6/28/2002 Christopher Jordan, age 17, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Duquesne.
6/29/2002 Crystal Somerville, age 27, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Beltzhoover section of Pittsburgh.
6/29/2002 Lorris Staples, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Duquesne.
7/4/2002 Lorraine Marburger, age 53, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Slippery Rock.
7/11/2002 Leonard Vandall, age 47, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Clairton.
7/11/2002 Jared Kutsch, age 15, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Harrison.
7/29/2002 Richard Wiegand, age 52, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Perrysville.
8/3/2002 James Clayton, age 52, was killed by a gunshot wound to the neck in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
8/5/2002 Patrick Norman, age 78, was killed by a gunshot wound to the back in Braddock.
8/9/2002 Marilyn Morgan, age 48, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in West Mifflin.
8/12/2002 Joyce Fasenmyer, age 40, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Plum.
9/1/2002 Stanley Tomal, age 53, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest in South Park.
9/3/2002 Ryan Marasco, age 19, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Carrick.
9/6/2002 Joseph Winston, age 19, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Dormont.
9/7/2002 Michael Hunter, age 24, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
9/9/2002 Kevin Woods, age 30, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Penn Hills.
9/10/2002 Joseph Cline, age 52, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest in Bellevue.
9/11/2002 Charlie Igles, age 81, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
9/15/2002 Kevin Snoe, age 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the abdomen in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
9/16/2002 Max Hafenbrack, age 63, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Homestead.
9/19/2002 Steve Grossaith, age 28, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Tarentum.
9/21/2002 Aaron Demand, age 16, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in East Hills.
9/24/2002 John Harris, age 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
9/27/2002 Allan McClelland, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in North Braddock.
9/27/2002 Lanel Buckner, age 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
9/27/2002 Leonard Feigel, age 63, was killed by a gunshot wound to the extremities in the Friendship section of Pittsburgh.
9/28/2002 Stanley Nelson, age 39, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the mouth in West Deer.
9/29/2002 Ben Hood, age 26, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in West View.
10/1/2002 Albert Leonard, age 45, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Homestead.
10/12/2002 Allahtume Shelton, age 20, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Homestead.
10/13/2002 Jamell Turner, age 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the back in the West End section of Pittsburgh.
10/14/2002 Charles Lane, age 19, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds in the West End section of Pittsburgh.
10/17/2002 Jean Bui, age 70, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in McKees Rocks.
10/19/2002 Gregory Dodin, age 21, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in the Oakland section of Pittsburgh.
10/22/2002 Paul Pusic, age 44, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Pittsburgh.
10/22/2002 Darren Dolby, age 20, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
10/22/2002 Amir Cox, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound in East Hills.
11/2/2002 Jeffery Lauric, age 38, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Brentwood.
11/3/2002 Kenneth Keay, age 48, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
11/6/2002 Gregory Reese, age 34, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in Forest Hills.
11/8/2002 Jason Gazdag, age 31, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest in East McKeesport.
11/9/2002 Michael Givens, age 21, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds in East Hills.
11/11/2002 Jennifer Westwood, age 28, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Brentwood.
11/11/2002 Albert Roth, age 79, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Verona.
11/14/2002 Alean Hudson, age 66, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the East Liberty section of Pittsburgh.
11/14/2002 Tim Addison, age 28, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Penn Hills.
11/15/2002 Bernard Rogers, age 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
11/16/2002 Derrick Owens, age 33, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the West End section of Pittsburgh.
11/18/2002 Amy Fehr, age 18, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Mt. Lebanon.
11/21/2002 David Berry, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the Hazelwood section of Pittsburgh.
11/21/2002 Mary Howard, age 20, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in McKeesport.
11/21/2002 Charles Clinton, age 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in McKees Rocks.
11/23/2002 John Karl, age 74, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in McKees Rocks.
11/25/2002 Outdam Prasuet, age 23, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in North Fayette.

pest · 01-22-2003, 01:06 PM

Note to self - dont move to pittsburg or canada, oh wait, that was never an option anyway, nm.

01-22-2003, 01:07 PM

I didn't real care enough to read all of them but most are self inflicted(suicides) so if they wanna kill themselves why should I care?

pest · 01-22-2003, 01:08 PM

LOL - lowspark - I missed all the suicides in your list the first time. By all means, distort the numbers however you like.

Pfc.Green · 01-22-2003, 01:11 PM

Gun control may work in Canada but its not a proven solution, look at England ever since they enacted the law making owning a handgun illegal gun crimes from has risen 35%

redhawk_six · 01-22-2003, 01:12 PM

You two realize you are talking about real people, not just names on a list, those people were just like you before they were killed.

It wouldn't kill you to have a little more respect.

01-22-2003, 01:14 PM

12/05/2001 Craig Owens, 24, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Garfield.
12/06/2001 Brian Moore, 29, was killed by a gunshot wound to the face in Verona.
12/19/2001 Paula Poellnitz, 38, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Hill District.
1/12/2002 Mary Wieczorek, 70, was killed by a gunshot wound to the face in North Fayette.
1/18/2002 Shonne Matthews, 24, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
1/25/2002 Taylor Coles, 8, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the chest and abdomen in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
1/25/2002 Parrish Freeman, 35, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
1/26/2002 Thomas Michell, 31, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
2/4/2002 Robert Pesano, 32, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Scott.
2/9/2002 Jean Jones, 39, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Highland Park section of Pittsburgh.
2/11/2002 Terry Gibbs, 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Penn Hills.
2/12/2002 Marvin Williams, 37, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Lawrenceville section of Pittsburgh.
2/16/2002 Jerrery Nichok, 20, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in Duquesne.
2/18/2002 Kenneth Sharp, 23, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the head and trunk in West Mifflin.
3/11/2002 Armond Gustave, 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Strip District section of Pittsburgh.
3/15/2002 Orlando Greene, 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the East Liberty section of Pittsburgh.
3/16/2002 Dominique Johnson, 16, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
4/5/2002 Andre McBryde, 21, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the neck and shoulder in Duquesne.
4/22/2002 Joseph Parks, 39, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
4/30/2002 Justin Perminter, 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the back in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
5/11/2002 Robert Hinish, 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the South Side section of Pittsburgh.
5/15/2002 Tyrone Wells, 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Wilkinsburg.
5/15/2002 Jason Griffin, 17, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
5/24/2002 Tilithia Johnson, 14, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Carrick.
5/30/2002 James Malloy, 20, was killed by a gunshot wound to the abdomen in the East Liberty section of Pittsburgh.
5/30/2002 Cynthia Scott, 42, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the neck and trunk in Duquesne.
6/2/2002 Erik Bryant, age 19, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in East Hills.
6/2/2002 Darrell Wilson, age 21, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Lawrenceville section of Pittsburgh.
6/13/2002 James Adams, age 20, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds in the Garfield section of Pittsburgh.
6/13/2002 Michael Balint, age 23, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Verona.
6/15/2002 Deborah Melletta, age 37, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Clairton.
6/20/2002 Piece Dumas, age 19, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Penn Hills.
6/20/2002 Kevin Coates, age 17, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
6/26/2002 Norris Jones, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Braddock.
6/28/2002 Christopher Jordan, age 17, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Duquesne.
6/29/2002 Crystal Somerville, age 27, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Beltzhoover section of Pittsburgh.
6/29/2002 Lorris Staples, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Duquesne.
8/3/2002 James Clayton, age 52, was killed by a gunshot wound to the neck in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
8/5/2002 Patrick Norman, age 78, was killed by a gunshot wound to the back in Braddock.
9/3/2002 Ryan Marasco, age 19, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Carrick.
9/7/2002 Michael Hunter, age 24, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
9/9/2002 Kevin Woods, age 30, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Penn Hills.
9/15/2002 Kevin Snoe, age 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the abdomen in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
9/21/2002 Aaron Demand, age 16, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in East Hills.
9/24/2002 John Harris, age 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
9/27/2002 Allan McClelland, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in North Braddock.
9/27/2002 Lanel Buckner, age 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
9/27/2002 Leonard Feigel, age 63, was killed by a gunshot wound to the extremities in the Friendship section of Pittsburgh.
10/12/2002 Allahtume Shelton, age 20, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Homestead.
10/13/2002 Jamell Turner, age 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the back in the West End section of Pittsburgh.
10/14/2002 Charles Lane, age 19, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds in the West End section of Pittsburgh.
10/22/2002 Paul Pusic, age 44, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Pittsburgh.
10/22/2002 Darren Dolby, age 20, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
10/22/2002 Amir Cox, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound in East Hills.
11/6/2002 Gregory Reese, age 34, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in Forest Hills.
11/9/2002 Michael Givens, age 21, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds in East Hills.
11/14/2002 Alean Hudson, age 66, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the East Liberty section of Pittsburgh.
11/14/2002 Tim Addison, age 28, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Penn Hills.
11/15/2002 Bernard Rogers, age 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
11/16/2002 Derrick Owens, age 33, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the West End section of Pittsburgh.
11/21/2002 David Berry, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the Hazelwood section of Pittsburgh.
11/21/2002 Mary Howard, age 20, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in McKeesport.
11/21/2002 Charles Clinton, age 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in McKees Rocks.

I went ahead and edited the suicides out. So after doing that calculate that Pittsburg is an urban area. Urban areas usually have gangs, so it's safe to say many of these were caused by gangs. And we all know gangs care about gun control.

redhawk_six · 01-22-2003, 01:16 PM

[quote="Pfc.Green":af604]Gun control may work in Canada but its not a proven solution, look at England ever since they enacted the law making owning a handgun illegal gun crimes from has risen 35%[/quote:af604]

Hmmm... good point, but England still has a very low crime rate when it comes to guns, as I said before:
Handgun murders:
USA: 7000-9000
Canada: 45
England: 7

01-22-2003, 01:17 PM

[quote="redhawk_six":d3887]You two realize you are talking about real people, not just names on a list, those people were just like you before they were killed.

It wouldn't kill you to have a little more respect.[/quote:d3887]
They aren't real people anymore, no ones like me, we're all different remember? It's tough to get me to actually care about any of this stuff.

Pfc.Green · 01-22-2003, 01:18 PM

No one is disrespecting peoples deaths, but to use suicides to make a statement about gun control is laughable... a suicide is a voluntary death. Criminals dont respect gun laws, they dont go "gee guns are illegal guess I cant have one then" no they dont give a shit, when you take away the right for a law-abiding citizen to have a gun, then all your doing is say okay now only the police and the criminals can have guns, fuck even most police in England dont have guns.