Do you want a National ID card?

ninty · **Do you want a National ID card? -** 05-10-2005, 09:50 PM

Now you can own your very own!
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Sensenbrenner Statement on Senate's Passage of REAL ID Legislation; Measure Now Goes to Bush for His Signature

Distribution Source : U.S. Newswire

Date : Tuesday - May 10, 2005

To: National Desk

Contact: Jeff Lungren or Terry Shawn, 202-225-2492, both of the Committee on the Judiciary; Web: http://judiciary.house.gov/

WASHINGTON, May 10 /U.S. Newswire/ -- House Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-Wis.), the author of the REAL ID Act (H.R. 418), issued the following statement following today's Senate passage of the supplemental appropriations conference report that included the REAL ID Act:

"The REAL ID is vital to preventing foreign terrorists from hiding in plain sight while conducting their operations and planning attacks. By targeting terrorist travel, the REAL ID will assist in our War on Terror efforts to disrupt terrorist operations and help secure our borders.

"I am grateful for the White House's strong support of this border security legislation. In addition, Senators Frist, McConnell, Santorum, Specter, Kyl, Sessions, Brownback, DeWine, and Cornyn were among those very helpful in shepherding this legislation through the Senate and I wish to thank them."[/quote:952eb]
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TiberiusAD · 05-10-2005, 11:02 PM

OMG They stole my fucking idea. Bastards. I bet I get NO credit for this what-so-ever.

annoy:

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ninty · 05-10-2005, 11:14 PM

So how does this stop terrorism?

No one would be able to get into the states from elsewhere because they wouldn't have a card. And if they did, how would they leave?

I guess i'm one of those privacy freaks.

Madmartagen · 05-10-2005, 11:25 PM

i dont see it either. its just a way to identify a person, not identify a terrorist.

TiberiusAD · 05-10-2005, 11:30 PM

Basically, you would only need one if you worked or lived in the states, like a driver's licence. Having one would provide you the benifits of being a native citizen. I'm sure that in order to visit you would not be required citizenship, lol.

As far as terrorists are concerned, it target sleeper-cells and inbedded terrorists mostly, but it also frees up the need to screen EVERYONE that gets on a plane cause natives have ID cards. That allows security personel to focus much more on those who do not... does that make sence?

I didn't read everything, and the article is somewhat vauge....

ninty · 05-10-2005, 11:43 PM

Seems to me all it would do is create a false sense of security and allow the government to track peoples activities more closely. Not to mention create more of a hassle for immigrants trying to come into the states legally.

If a terrorist wants to attack America, I don't see a plastic card stopping them. Whats to stop them from getting on a plane in another country and hijacking it? And if a terrorist wanted to detonate a bomb in the states, they don't really need a card to do so.

Also, the article is vague because almost no one is reporting on it. You probably won't see this on the 6 O'clock news. All the sites reporting it are independent media outlets.

Short Hand · 05-11-2005, 04:07 AM

Big Brother is watching.

negative · 05-11-2005, 11:34 AM

it is a false sense of security. I think there are some states who disagree with this new law.

Stammer · 05-11-2005, 11:59 AM

[quote="Short Hand":372c9]Big Brother is watching.[/quote:372c9]

War is Peace
Slavery is Freedom
Ignorance is Strength

This is just to create a false sense of security so the Repubs can say they did something to protect America when Bill Frist runs for president.

ninty · 05-11-2005, 12:11 PM

I believe a state doesn't have to issue the card, but then it would be really tough for people to go anywhere, if airports and trains and stuff need that card to travel. So really, individual states don't have a choice.

negative · 05-11-2005, 12:22 PM

well the states have to issue the cards by 2008. Your right about it being difficult to go anywhere without one. But then again, it seems like if you didnt get one, then you would have free sanction in your state-where you can go almost unnoticed. Do you think the Police will do random checks to make sure IDs are valid and are available? To me it just raises more problems.

ninty · 05-11-2005, 12:36 PM

It's possible, and I wouldn't doubt it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5262068/
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/ ... 3-5554.pdf

I still believe police have to have a reasonable suspicion to ask for your ID though.

Sgt>Stackem · 05-11-2005, 01:13 PM

I dont like it

Pyro · 05-11-2005, 03:12 PM

I don't see the point, but I also live in Canada where we actually have private lives.

ninty · 05-11-2005, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyro

I don't see the point, but I also live in Canada where we actually have private lives.

I don't know about that.

Don't you remember the debate about a National ID card for the past 2 years?

Anyway, it won't happen in Canada right now, but it could in the future.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national ... 31007.html