[Dr. Deleto]

nah, cool with me. you spend your time as you see fit, I was just explaining how I noticed that.

[latexdreams]

[quote="{sKs}Blitzkrieg":4b20c]Noone said they don't take skill, but in ladder matches, when an entire clan uses shotties on the smallest map, which they get to choose, is just a cheap win, taking no skill, or lack there of. If I had it my way, there would be a mod out there that made it where only one rocket, one shottie, 2 smgs/mgs/ and the rest rifles, that way it would "reflect" more of what was going on in the "real" war. My opinion only though.............[/quote:4b20c]


hi, blitz, this is wobbles. does this mean that only every 3rd russian guy would actually have a weapon to use??? heheh

fire1: M16: cry: cry:

[latexdreams]

[quote="{sKs}Blitzkrieg":e96e8] .....AS FOR A SHOTTY TOE-TO-TOE, AIM IN THE GENERAL DIRECTION, AND HE IS DEAD, NOT MUCH TOE-TO-TOE TO ME, BUT MY OPINION, ...........[/quote:e96e8]

i have to disagree with u guys on this point. there are plenty of times i have used the shottie, aimed in the general direction of the opponent and actually wind up getting owned.
in servers without realism, i admit i am a shottie whore. And im usually in the top three. high kills/low deaths
Shottie does take some skill to use. The short range of the weapon means i get owned in wide open spaces, from snipers, stgs, mgs, rockets, rifles. But indoors and not so open spaces, the shottie will outshine the smg, mg, rifle, etc. Moreover, the weapon forces you to walk, not run. you actually have to sneak up on people cuz to give away your position too early can mean death from an opponent at a distance. In maps like Stalingrad, the shottie is king. in maps like Destroyed Village or Brest shotties pray they can make it from building to building or tree to tree. Furthermore, you have to aim the shottie and only a direct hit will kill. otherwise u have to hit him twice or even three times with glancing fire.

Since i play in the SKS server alot and in alot of realism servers now, i mainly use the smg and the mg. And i am quite deadly with those weapons as well.

It's quite easy to avoid getting owned by the noobies with shotties by circle-straffing or strafing left and right. In fact, its easy to kill most noobs, cuz we all know they just 'spray and pray'. It's the skilled players who choose to use the shottie that u have to watch out for. So this is why alot of you guys are bitching about the shottie. The shottie in the hands of a skilled player is quite deadly. The shottie in the hands of a noob is nothin, even though they do get lucky sometimes.

Whether it's shotgun or machine gun, it dont matter to me. i'm good with them all. Well, i do need to work on my rifle and sniping skills. But thats coming along nicely as well. Depends on the map.

latexdreams aka your been wobbles

my tactic against smg's and mg's whatever weapon i use is. "let them bounce and turn...stand still, aim and watch them run out of ammo."

generally it works.

[{sKs}Blitzkrieg]

lol wobbles, the every 3 russians................lol. But anywho, see ya on the server, wobbles, everyone ignored my last post so this is all a dead thread to me now, but i just wanted to see why 3 more pages have been written, lol. Also, 9 times outta 10, i bet they don't use realism with ff on..........just a point.........l8r.

[{sKs}Se7eN]

Ok, here is my two sense on this situation. I agree and disagree with various posts throughout this whole fiasco. I will outline and elaborate on each point---

1) Rockets, Shotties, Gewehrgrenate are n00b weapons.

My response to this is yes......but then also no. They all do require some deal of skill to be good with. Although someone wanting to come into a server and piss people off without caring about how they do will 9 times out of 10 use one of those weapons. Why? Because they are easy to kill people with. Sure, they will die alot but who cares, they just want to mess with people.

2) Airborne Butter comment about how in 2 minutes he contemplated why the 'nades were disabled on the server but rockets and shotties weren't.

Well that is impossible for him to not know because about every 30 seconds a message pops up letting server members know the rules and that certain weapons are disabled. This is your classic case of jumping to conclusions and speaking before all the facts are known.

3) Servers that disable weapons can't handle that particular weapon.

Again, this is false. I can and have been good at counter-acting these weapons. Our server is a 32 person max server. If we were to have these weapons allowed more often than not there would be a ton of people running around with the previously mentioned guns/launchers. Thus creating an enviroment that alot of people dislike. So that being said, we feel that this is the best way to handle our server.

4) How can we talk about this crappy server for 8 pages?

This so called crappy server is one of the most visited servers in all of MOHAA. We consistently rank in the top 5 in traffic daily. There were some router problems in the last week or so but even through all of that there were very few times the server had less than the max public slots (24) full. The router is fixed now and I played for a good portion of the night with it totally maxed out. We also, as I mentioned before, have all our rules and guidelines flashing up on the screen all of the time to let people know what's up. It is a very well managed server and we recieve multitudes of compliments on it. Our clan, merely a social clan, is growing daily and becoming more and more popular. We all have fun with each other and it shows.

With all that said, I think that the whole n00b weapon term gets overused a lot. Because it is true and false all in the same sentence. What lessons have we learned today class?

-Verify your facts before speaking.
-There really isn't such a thing as a n00b weapon.
-There really is such a thing as a n00b weapon.
-the {sKs} server is very popular. (Shameless Plug)


Take is easy all!!

[Bazooka_Joe]

[quote="{sKs}Se7eN":0d188]
-Verify your facts before speaking.
-There really isn't such a thing as a n00b weapon.
-There really is such a thing as a n00b weapon.
-the {sKs} server is very popular. (Shameless Plug)[/quote:0d188]

Good facts, but you forgot:

-Bazooka Joe will rox0rs j00 with ze n00b weapon!

[latexdreams]

[quote="{sKs}Se7eN":968d8]Ok, here is my two sense on this situation. I agree and disagree with various posts throughout this whole fiasco. I will outline and elaborate on each point---

1) Rockets, Shotties, Gewehrgrenate are n00b weapons.

My response to this is yes......but then also no. They all do require some deal of skill to be good with. Although someone wanting to come into a server and piss people off without caring about how they do will 9 times out of 10 use one of those weapons. Why? Because they are easy to kill people with. Sure, they will die alot but who cares, they just want to mess with people.

[/quote:968d8]

Again i desagree with this statement. Yes u can choose a shottie and run around and rack up kills but also die alot. But to do that in my opinion is quite lame. The entire goal for me when i go shottie is to not only rack up the kills but also to minimize dying. I've been playing 3d shooters since Unreal Tournament and i use to rank with ngStats. I was consistently in the the top 99%ile. And since i played with the top Domination players, we all pushed each other to have high effeciency ratings; ie High kills, Low deaths. My average EFF was 70%-75%. Worrying about my eff has carried over. So no i dont just run around blastin away. I play cautiously. I walk where most peeps run. I even stalk peeps and close in and make sure i'm at the right kill zone and got a good bead before i pull the trigger. So it's always been my goal whenever i play to maintain at least a 75% eff rating. When i'm not doing so well, i get annoyed and i force myself to work even harder to raise my kills and minimize my deaths.
Yes, there are guys who will have 50 kills in a game but also have like 40 deaths. Now u can tell this person is just running in there, and thats not a a lot of skill. Wouldnt it look better if he had 50 kills and only 10 deaths? I think skill is based on efficency. I consider it to be a personal victory be at least 75% in every map. My point is it doesnt matter what weapon you use. If you wanna use a rifle that game use a rifle. If u wanna camp and snipe, do so. If u wanna spray and pray, choose an smg. If u want stopping power, choose a mg. If u wanna hunt in the tunnels and tight areas with a shottie, go ahead. Every one of the weapons demand a different play style. But make sure you can maintain a high kill/low death ratio; that is, to be a highly efficient killer.

[Old Reliable]

if only you guys could argue about important things like finding a cure for aids hake:

[pest]

I think you guys are too uptight over a game. I am completely unimpressed with effeciency if it is because of tactics (see sig). Skill is the guy that can run the streets and still manage a 3 or 4 to 1 ratio, no matter what weapon he uses.

The so-called n00b weapons mainly point out the n00bs that dont know how to effectively counter them.

[latexdreams]

Originally Posted by pest

I am completely unimpressed with effeciency ... Skill is the guy that can run the streets and still manage a 3 or 4 to 1 ratio, no matter what weapon he uses.

Um, DUH!!! This is effeciency.


However i do agree about tactics. But thats a team coop thing. Combine EFF and good tactics and your team is looking quite pretty.

[pest]

Originally Posted by latexdreams

Um, DUH!!! This is effeciency.


However i do agree about tactics. But thats a team coop thing. Combine EFF and good tactics and your team is looking quite pretty.

Um....you deleted my qualifying statement, you know, the part that started with "if".....

....and yes, tourney play is different. Me and a buddy recently won a 2v2 tourny and we were able to do it without the use of "tactics". It made it an even sweeter win.

[Dr. Deleto]

who cares anymore! damn!

[{sKs}Se7eN]

Wobbles, you just agreed with my post although you said you disagreed I said that they take alot of skill to be good, or efficient as you put it, with those particular weapons. But alot of peoples goal is not really to have a good score but just piss people off. That is why they use those weapons.

[pest]

[quote="{sKs}Se7eN":ca471]But alot of peoples goal is not really to have a good score but just piss people off. That is why they use those weapons.[/quote:ca471]

Maybe they just enjoy using them?????? Maybe???