[anti]

Originally Posted by Sparks

Just inflate the cost of bullets, that when someone gets shot... you know they must have did something for someone to cap them with a $100 bullet.

did you just try and reference a stand up comedian?

[Simo Häyhä]

Originally Posted by anti

did you just try and reference a stand up comedian?

I believe Chris Rock stated bullets should cost 5,000 USD

[anti]

ZING

[Simo Häyhä]

Why dont you just fuck off before I refinance your home equity loan

[Chronic Diarrhea]

Originally Posted by Milla

33 people wouldn't have been killed if the guy wasn't a psycho. It's a moot point man. Just because you don't like guns, or don't believe guns should be in the hands of civilians doesn't mean that everyone that carries them or has them is evil.

It all boils down to security at the schools. I think there should be armed guards on all campuses.

Exactly. You can't say if guns were banned he wouldn't have been able to kill 33 people. And let's not forget that the deadliest school massacre (VT wasn't it, by the way) didn't involve a single firearm.

[url:22b80]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster[/url:22b80]

Not that it cheapens what happened in Virginia in any way.....I'm just trying to illustrate Milla's point that if someone decides to create such carnage, they will regardless of what is done to try and stop them. All you can do is try to mitigate the damage.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Sparks

c312 just proved my point. I'm pretty sure the families will soon find out later that Cho himself teased people or even harassed his girlfriend, but we'll never know because of gag-orders.

We only see what the media and government wants us to see. I'll use a case that's more closer to a college student wielding a gun... Lee Harvey Oswald. We all know how he was part of the Fair Play For Cuba Committee, had a troubled childhood, had connections with Russia and did some spy work. What we don't hear is that he was young bright man growing up who wanted to serve his country, he was a loving husband, a wonderful father to his two children, his close friends and co-workers said he wasn't a bad guy... yet all we hear from the government is that he was a lunatic with a gun who decided to off the president someday for no apparent reason without even benefiting from it. Keeping in mind he is just a "suspected" assassinater, but people are led to believe it was him because they get all the bad rep on him.
Lee Harvey Oswald comparison doesn't work - There wasnt any question on whether Cho was the killer or not, he would have been positively ID'd by several students who saw his face clearly as he rampaged through their school - Whereas Oswald sniped the President from a distance, his killing was done in a matter of seconds from a distance. Plus there is a conspiracy theory about Oswald not being the killer for several reasons surrounding the fact that the victim was the PRESIDENT. Why would the media need to warp the story against Cho? He did it for himself. This is an open and shut case, whether he was a nice guy or not is totally ireelevant - He killed 32 innocent randomly selected people he'd probably never met before.

The terrorists on 9/11 were doing what they were because of their religious duties and beliefs, what does that have to do with being lonely, manic depressive, or even crazy.You're right, what does that have to do with being lonely and manic depressive? Another stupid comparison - The terrorists had religous causes, what was Cho's driving intention? Somehow I don't think it was jihad or anything similar.

You guys are so one sided on this and simply like to take the easy route on outrage. I bet none of you guys personally knew Cho. Granted I didn't either, but I'm pretty sure you didn't as well. And the school doesn't know the Cho that's walking down the street on Saturday nights so don't even go there about the English papers gestapo crap, because pa-leaze, you're going to tell me Cho is the only person in the entire school to ever write a paper with guns or chainsaws in it.
So what point are you trying to make, and why? It makes no sense. You definitely didn't read the paper because there were a few words in their I'd be embarrased to say out loud in a public place. Like someone else said there was no gun either, and the chainsaw part isnt even that crazy, its more the entire topic and the way Cho portrays human emotion and conflict. People are trying to rationalize after an event like this. Its been one day and you're already crying out conspiracy theories. Really, what could the media possibly be denying you about this case?

[Arkan]

Originally Posted by elstatec

but a gun killed these people, not just the fucked up mind of some lunatic.

Wrong. A gun was USED to kill those people, not the gun itself. The gun couldn't fire itself, it needed a lunitic to point it at someone and pull the trigger.

Whenever something like this happens, people scream gun control. Well, the way i see it, gun control helped make this situation happen. How you ask? Well, you may argue that he had access to buying a gun legally. Yes, that is correct. Nothing was in his background to prove otherwise. Up until he killed his 1st victim, he didn't do anything to prevent himself from getting a gun legally.

http://www2.vcdl.org/webapps/vcdl/vadet ... ID=1702625

The above link is why i feel gun control had an impact on yesterdays tragedy. If someone other than the shooter was armed, perhaps this never happens.

All you people can say what you will and monday quarterback it to death...all i know is, i always have a means to protect myself...always.

[gtboys34]

i once wrote a story about a pipe bomb and planes and shits back in 6th grade. They took me out of class (lol) and i tried to explain to them that it wasn't my intention to do that AT ALL. I said "im black dammit", we dont know how to make no damn bombs bitch! " They left me alone after that


nah i was joking about that last part but that actually happened. I kinda laughed at some of the story dude wrote btw..

[Unknown_Sniper]

hmm gun control really worked well for japan today as well
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6565885.stm
Mayor of Nagasaki was shot dead in broad daylight

[Tripper]

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":b6871]hmm gun control really worked well for japan today as well
[url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6565885.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6565885.stm[/url]
Mayor of Nagasaki was shot dead in broad daylight[/quote:b6871]

Gun control had nothing to do with that.

If someone wants to kill a public official, without evidence noone can really stop them unless they're ready for it. Had he killed more than one person maybe I'd agree with you....but even if you had a weapon in that situation - how are you going to know where to shoot in time before the faceless criminal gets his one and only killshot off?

[Unknown_Sniper]

that was exactly my point. Gun control cant stop shooting from happening.

[gtboys34]

dude actually shot a total of 52 ppl 32 dead/19 wounded correct?

[Chronic Diarrhea]

Originally Posted by gtboys34

dude actually shot a total of 52 ppl 32 dead/19 wounded correct?

Around that number. I heard 20+ were injured.

[gtboys34]

thats insane

[Douchetallica]

Originally Posted by Tripper

My comparison on L.H.O. wasn't on identification of shooters, thanks for quoting me out of context.

We don't know if Cho did it for himself, can anyone really say they knew what was going on in the mind of Cho as a young child, or five years ago, or five months ago, or five minutes before the first shooting.

Just because he wrote a few very harsh papers symbolizing hatred towards a father figure and a teacher figure doesn't really provide substational evidence to say we know what was going on inside his head.

I'm might be going out on a limb here, but I'm sure people say such harsh things too in journals/diaries. Should we go report them because their a shady figure and we snooped around their items? Where does the right to privacy come into play. I took a screen writing class and some kids wrote horrible stuff on girlfriend/boyfriend situations which involved mutilation and retaliation, some of those kids were shady figures too (shy and kept to themselves). Aside from it being a creative writing class, shouldn't they also feel that sense of privacy when writing stuff.

I wonder if Cho's family wanted those papers given to the media, or if the school violated his privacy rights and gave them out. Granted this is involving state and federal investigation, does the public really need to see those things word for word? Or are we part of a guinea pig scheme to take and swallow what's given to us without question.

If he being a nice guy or not is irrelevant, why bother to judge him? Why bother to post his English papers? As you said, he murdered innocent people, that's all we as the general public need to know.

As I said before, only the families of the victims will get a more in-depth knowledge of what went down.