Do u consider binding keys cheating - Page 2

Zoner · 03-19-2003, 10:26 AM

To get directly to the point: No.

If you have the money to have a 25 button/8-wheel optical nuclear mouse, more power to you.

S'all good.

Zone

OutlawSZ · 03-19-2003, 11:05 AM

=FM=1st Lt prey · 03-19-2003, 11:36 AM

lol this debate wasnt about lean-binding, it was about lean-strafing which is totally different! oOo:

Lean-binding is fine say if you have a 5 button mouse, but assigning two functions to one key IS considered cheating, at least in any clanwar iv ever played, including ClanBase wars.

That would enable you to perform two functions at once, like lean-firing, which is also a cheat. cheet

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*coughs*....sorry biggrin:

OutlawSZ · 03-19-2003, 11:54 AM

how is lean-binding and lean-strafing different from each other? do they not both perform the same action when used?

=FM=1st Lt prey · 03-19-2003, 12:11 PM

Nope lol

Lean-binding is just binding the lean function to a key or button, ie mouse 4 or mouse 5, where as lean-strafe is binding the lean function + the strafe function to One key, which is the cheat part.

Its not cheating like wallhacking but its boarderline and some people dispute it, like the officials at ClanBase and a few others, they dont consider it fair-play. Its along the same lines as no-fog where its easy to apply but still impossible to set under regular game menu.

Mr_nStuff · 03-19-2003, 12:50 PM

No...

Multiple binds are not a cheat.. They are an option.. Anyone that's been playing Quake since it's birth knows that multibinding has been around since the beginning.

If it were a cheat.. ID Software would have cheat protected the semicolon years ago..

Just because someone's a newb and doesn't know how to use the console doesn't mean the rest of us veterans are cheaters.

Personally I believe all the lean whiners must really suck at MOH to spend all their time crying about something so irrelevant.

Binding Lean+Strafe only gives you a disadvantage.. Because when you bind lean and strafe to one key.. You.. uh.. Basically lean whenever you strafe.. It's a disadvantage.. Anyone on the other end of the scope that thinks it's a disadvantage.. You need to wake up.. the only disadvantage you have is the inability to aim at moving targets.

pest · 03-19-2003, 01:14 PM

Its not cheating, but it is widely viewed as cheap or lame or choose your own adjective. It is a mod. It is not a fix the average gamer could do on his own and it cant be done from the in game menu. Asthetically, it is offensive. Tactically, it is marginal.

If you use it, you are going to get flamed, much the same as you would if you know how to use the rocket or shotgun. I'm not saying that it is right to be flamed for these, its just the way it is.

The real question you need to ask yourself is - Do I really want to be that guy?

Ydiss · 03-19-2003, 02:01 PM

I agree with pest.. As I said before I can't see how any self-respecting player who considers themselves to be good+ at the game would lower themselves to using such a short-cut.

It's very mid-level-ish (ie, mid-level players who think they're awesome but in reality are good but not quite there).

It amazes me when I see what I would call a very good player using binds.

It's just lazy. And restrictive.

Ydiss · 03-19-2003, 02:05 PM

Pseudo edit: Oh, and it looks stupid. Once you've gotten to a certain level of ability (woo, you can own with the SMG, good for you) then the game's all about looking the part, in my opinion.

We all know you can theoretically take out 3+ people as the last man if you use SMG and are quick witted and have a bit of luck. We all know someone can rack up a lot of kills in realism by camping in a room with the STG44 and we all know you can keep your death ratio low this way too.

We all know you can bind strafe and lean and it's really not that impressive.

But to see someone own with the mauser, never using lean and never camping is just cool. No matter what.

=FM=1st Lt prey · 03-19-2003, 02:16 PM

Sorry maybe I didnt make myself clear...

Clanbase ladder rules:

9. It is NOT allowed to change any other setting in the console. Doing so will make your clan forfeit the match

Check info at http://www.clanbase.com

I dont care about your personal views in this matter Mr_nicestuff im just stating ladder rules, theres many similar ladders which also disallow this kind of console tweeking, but ClanBase is the biggest example to hand.

On a personal note: Do what the fuck you like on mohaa I gave up caring 2 months ago biggrin:

=FM=1st Lt prey · 03-19-2003, 02:19 PM

Theres the link to rules page (just had to make sure Im not signed in first)

http://www.clanbase.com/ladderrules.php?gid=9&sgid=50

Mr_nStuff · 03-19-2003, 04:06 PM

Hah.. Clanbase.. Sounds like a league ran by sniveling whiners to me.. =]

Anyways.. Sure you bind lean-strafe to one key your "being that guy" but I personally feel "being that guy" is a lot better than "being that guy that cries about it"

lean and strafe bound to one key is simply that.. All other comments on the subject are opinions.

pest · 03-20-2003, 08:19 AM

[quote="Mr_nStuff":c1e9d]Hah.. Clanbase.. Sounds like a league ran by sniveling whiners to me.. =]

Anyways.. Sure you bind lean-strafe to one key your "being that guy" but I personally feel "being that guy" is a lot better than "being that guy that cries about it"
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To me, the double binders and the whiners are in hte same league. The whiners are annoying, but the binder continues to bind, knowing full well what to expect. Who is at fault? Not to mention, it really does look stupid. I stated my opinion because the question was asked.

It is ironic to me, that you are pro-binding, when you have always seemed to be so pro-stock when it came to everything else in the game, even to the point that you have disabled force models on your server (a stock feature).

geRV · 03-20-2003, 08:26 AM

[quote="Mr_nStuff":22cba]

Binding Lean+Strafe only gives you a disadvantage.. Because when you bind lean and strafe to one key.. You.. uh.. Basically lean whenever you strafe.. It's a disadvantage.. Anyone on the other end of the scope that thinks it's a disadvantage.. You need to wake up.. the only disadvantage you have is the inability to aim at moving targets.[/quote:22cba]

You're an idiot, if it gives you such a "disadvantage" then why the fuck do so many people do it? It can be used to peoples advantage by making them harder to hit, for example battering a+d while running with leanbind enabled makes you a far harder target to hit especially to people attempting to snipe you.

Doing this with leanbind disabled would be a lot harder as you'd be pressing 4 buttons instead of just 2. There goes your theory down the shitter.

Ive lost track of the amount of idiots i see running about with leanbinding enabled firing smg's and getting cheap kills while theyre duckwaddling about like some kinda of inbred retard.

Maybe you should actually do some research on it before spouting a lot of bollocks. oOo:

Ydiss · 03-20-2003, 08:34 AM

Lol, nice post, Gerard. Sadly, you don't yet know about Mr_nstuff who is a die-hard advocate of leandbinding. He'll adamantly defend it, even if there was an official government warning that using leanbinding seriously means you are an inbred invalid.

Nothing you say will alter his perception that, by definition, he leanbinds therefore he is.

By the way, I lean and strafe from time to time but I have it bound to my mouse keys. I find it way better and easier than using binds. And I don't look like a twerp