Originally Posted by Ydiss

Anyone who misses out on this game purely because of its Sci-Fi setting is a fool, in my opinion.

Unless you have a deep-seated hatred for Sci-Fi (who here hates Star Wars?) then you can ignore the fact that the game is not set in WWII (ugh, I mean come on, is that the only type of game you want to play for your entire life?) and become engrossed by the story-line, the depth and the sheer innovation of the characters and enemies.

I don't hate sci-fi, I hate lame sci-fi

I haven't seen the story to this one yet (link anyone???) but if it's anything like previous sci-fi shooters (ie one man vs hordes of generic inter-dimensional monstrosities) then I won't be buying.

the whole one man with pistol vs hordes of monsters is
1. cliche
2. lame

I would like to see a sci-fi shooter where you actually have other friendlies around and where the badguys are actually an alien force (ie organized military or mercenary group) who carry guns or something, not a gaggle of monsters who shoot plasma from their hands.

again, I don't know if HL-2 will be like that (somebody get me a goddamn link!!!) and I apologize if I am mistaken, but each and every previous "monster" shooter was what I have described, so I have precedent.

[Ydiss]

[quote="mr.miyagi":55742]yeah Ydiss, good look with the baby!

you're not going to call it Gordon...are you??

[/quote:55742]

She will be called Isabel.

[Akuma]

[quote="Sgt Stryker":0fda6]the whole one man with pistol vs hordes of monsters is
1. cliche
2. lame[/quote:0fda6]
What about one man carrying 6 guns and 5 grenades vs hordes of brainless, scripted nazis?

[quote=Akuma]

Originally Posted by "Sgt Stryker":2f5d4

the whole one man with pistol vs hordes of monsters is
1. cliche
2. lame

What about one man carrying 6 guns and 5 grenades vs hordes of brainless, scripted nazis?[/quote:2f5d4]

that's pretty lame as well, my fevorite missions are the one where you have friendlies around (Normandy, Campertown)

of course mission 4 doesn't count as one man running around, more like on man sneaking around.

w00t edit button!

anyway, I don't know why they made such poor friendlies for MOHAA, especially since Grillo and the pilot aren't that inept, plus Lucasarts made some decent friendlies for Jedi Outcast using the Q3 engine.

[Oddball]

Dude watch the 500 MB gameplay video. Holy shit I just watched it and neearly creamed my pants. The AI for both friendlies and enemies is amazing. About 90% of the stuff wasn't scripted but the AI acting on its own.

There one sequence shown where there are a group of your friends attacking a barricaded gate at the end of the street. OMG the friendly AI is so smart, moving between cover and even watching your back and helping you out. Very cool stuff.

I'm not sure of the storyline myself but I think it will be like the first Half Life game, the plot thickens and new layers to the story are revealed as you advance through the game.

Graphically this game blows the shit out of anything else out there. Gameplay also looks equally amazing.

[Oddball]

sorry double post

this edit button sure comes in handy

they're using hints. so when an ai charcter gets close to something. he'll have an automatic responce. like that scene when he tried to open the door, but it got blocked by a table. so he fucking kicked it to shit.

the storyline is definetly going to be better. the first one sucked. it was the same rift in dimention alien zombies crap. this sequel will answer many questions . including what the g-man's goal is. and the combine soldiers are fucking cool. when this game comes out, doom3's gonna look like a piece of shit.

[Oddball]

Originally Posted by neinhitler

they're using hints. so when an ai charcter gets close to something. he'll have an automatic responce. like that scene when he tried to open the door, but it got blocked by a table. so he fucking kicked it to shit.

I know the AI seems to react amzingly to all kinds of different situations. I saw this sequence with Freeman being chased by this alien. He goes round a corner and slams a door behind him. He hides next to the door. Alien looks through a glass panel near the top of the door, smashes the glass and pokes an eye like thing through and scans around. It sees Freeman and bashes down the door to get to him. ed:

that's a combine soldier with a weird looking gas mask. after gordon blocked the door, he couldn't get in, so he distracts him by shooting the window, then slamming the door in.

[Oddball]

Yeah I saw that gameplay video too. It cool how Gordon uses that gravity gun to pull a radiator off the wall then hurls it towards a guy who then gets smashed into a vending machine releasing a lot of cans.

Originally Posted by Oddball

Dude watch the 500 MB gameplay video. Holy shit I just watched it and neearly creamed my pants. The AI for both friendlies and enemies is amazing. About 90% of the stuff wasn't scripted but the AI acting on its own.

There one sequence shown where there are a group of your friends attacking a barricaded gate at the end of the street. OMG the friendly AI is so smart, moving between cover and even watching your back and helping you out. Very cool stuff.

I'm not sure of the storyline myself but I think it will be like the first Half Life game, the plot thickens and new layers to the story are revealed as you advance through the game.

Graphically this game blows the shit out of anything else out there. Gameplay also looks equally amazing.

did you say five-zero-zero megabytes?

if that's just a vid, how much space will the game require ed:
might need to get a separate HD just for the game (being sarcastic of course)

[Ydiss]

[quote="Sgt Stryker":969a0]
I don't hate sci-fi, I hate lame sci-fi

I haven't seen the story to this one yet (link anyone???) but if it's anything like previous sci-fi shooters (ie one man vs hordes of generic inter-dimensional monstrosities) then I won't be buying.

the whole one man with pistol vs hordes of monsters is
1. cliche
2. lame

I would like to see a sci-fi shooter where you actually have other friendlies around and where the badguys are actually an alien force (ie organized military or mercenary group) who carry guns or something, not a gaggle of monsters who shoot plasma from their hands.

again, I don't know if HL-2 will be like that (somebody get me a goddamn link!!!) and I apologize if I am mistaken, but each and every previous "monster" shooter was what I have described, so I have precedent.[/quote:969a0]

You're confusing HL1 with Doom and Quake.

HL1 does have a story. It's not mindless killing of aliens. The plot thickens with each chapter and you do have other friendlies (ok, limited to Barney and the Scientists, but it's more involving than Doom or Quake ever was).

You don't just fight aliens you also have to contend with Marines who are sent to "clean up" the accident - And that includes you (Mr Freeman).

Whilst the storyline for HL is still fairly generic action orientated it is still 5 years old - So I think it's unfair to categorise it as a cliché, don't you think?

It was original as hell when it came out.

If you haven't played HL then you really don't have room to critisise it.

It's way out-dated now, but that's why HL2 is coming. And there is absolutely no way HL2 will be a mindless Doom clone. No chance at all.

Sadly, there is no story as yet. Valve haven't released info on that. However, you will be up against intelligent and genuinely fearsome creatures and you will have genuinely intelligent and realistic companions to help you.

And not all of them are human.

One of the weapons is a pheromone device (I don't know the actual name yet, just seen it in action). It's an alien pod that you can fire pheromones with. Certain alien creatures react to those pheromones in relation to the one who wields them.

That is, wherever you fire this gun, the creatures obey you and go to it, killing anything in their path.

There's one amazing sequence in that 500mb movie (it's just a hi res 25 min movie - just watch it, you'll understand what everyone is looking forward to, then) where Gordon has this weapon. He uses his pistol to shoot out a sky-light window and then fires the pheromones at an enemy who is taking cover.

Through the window leaps a creature, which was previously blocked by said window, and more follow to tear apart the enemy.

Through-out the entire game, according to that same movie, there are various objects placed carefully for you to use to help you. You don't have to use them, nor do you have to even notice them, but just watch the tasters of what these are in the movie and you'll be gob-smacked.

You see, everything in this world will react exactly how you would imagine it would in real life. See a garbage canister suspended from a rope sitting on a wooden platform? Shoot the platform (and marvel at how it splinters exactly as it would in real life - This is no "damage=25" scripted object) and watch the canister swing on the rope as the platform collapses, taking out your enemy.

Ok, so Quake could do that with a simple scripted sequence, right? It's still just killing aliens, just with a fancy sequence to do it, right? Wrong.

Shoot the rope. Perhaps in a Quake scripted sequence that would do nothing. In HL2 it will do what it's supposed to. The rope will snap and the canister will drop, crushing the enemy and any objects beneath it.

Shit like that.

That's what I meant by my post, Stryker. In no way is HL2 going to be generic, clichéd or mindless. Forget that it's about killing aliens. That will be only a small fraction of the game. Forget all about any prejudice you may have.

All I can suggest is that you watch the movie and see what I mean. If you don't you'll never know. And if you do watch it and still aren't interested, then that's fine.

However, I doubt you won't be interested. HL2 will be an experience. Miss it and miss out.

I think the phermone gun thing convinced me (I immediately thought SG-1, which is my favorite "new" show), if they put in something that inventive it has to be head and shoulders above the "typical" shooters I was against.

a better question is will I have the money to buy a new comp to run the thing, somehow I don't think my 1.5 GHz processor will handle it biggrin:

[Oddball]

Well said Ydiss. In no way is HL or will HL2 be a mindless alien slaughter. Goddamn the footage in that 25 min gameplay video is amazing.