[Pvt Flagg]

and what part would be false dear frenchy ..if you care to dispute my knolage on the subject ..go to our web page ..click on the link to our yahoo groop ...in photos there are sevral pics ..one with my model 1903 springfieald ...a goon one of my bar ..(non working as mg ..only fires semi auto ) ..and a great one of my mouser 7mm ..the pic of the thompson is one belonging to a friend who has a FFP ..he also owns a great ppsh (burp gun)

now if thay wanted a great rifle in the game ..thay would throw in the 6.5 carcana ..

or maby being french ..you would like the labell 8mm ...but being the firearms expert thay you are ..you would know that gun was made by ....none other than Browning fire arms ...

Flagg

[pest]

Sry flag, but the BAR IS a 30.06, the mauser IS 7.92, and the tommy WAS called the trench broom or trench sweeper, at least in reference to wwii. And the last place I am going to find reference material is your site, which no one is going to bother looking at because you can't be bothered to post a link, and even then you have to register to receive spam to view it.

Once again your grasp on the facts is as sloppy as your typing.

Thanks for playing.

[Pvt Flagg]

the bar ..and springfieald model 03 both chamber a 7.62x55 mm cartrige ...

and for this im cuting and pasteing from a firearms doc

Did You Know?
In World War I, the Winchester Model 1897 quickly became known as the trench broom, for it's ability to clear the trenches of opponents and sweep the skies of grenades. Using buckshot loads, US soldiers could deflect enemy hand grenades hurled through the air.
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and as for the 7mm mouser ..it fires a 7.92 mm round ..but was made for ww1 ..and had chambering problems ..

Flagg

Operation Air cooled, gas operated, magazine fed, shoulder type
M1918A1 selective fire (fully and semi-automatic)
M1918A2 fully automatic
Caliber .30 (7.62 mm)
Muzzle velocity 853.4 mps (2800 fps)
Capacity 20-round detachable box magazine
(1) Bandoleer (BAR belt): 12 magazines
(2) Magazine changeable in 2-4 seconds
(but averaged 6-8 seconds in combat)
Weight 8.33 kg (18.5 lbs)
Overall length 119.4 cm (47 in.)
Rate of fire 550 rounds per minute
Effective range 550m (600 yds)
Ammunition (1) Ball M2; 150 gr bullet, 50 gr charge
(2) Tracer M25, M1: for designating targets and signalling
(3) Armor piercing M2 (black tip); 165gr/53gr
(4) Armor piercing incendiary: for lightly armored flammable targets

god i love bar's!

[pest]

[quote="Pvt Flagg":87f84]the bar ..and springfieald model 03 both chamber a 7.62x55 mm cartrige ...



Caliber .30 (7.62 mm) [/quote:87f84]

Please refer to your own documentation - the BAR was a .30 caliber, in the 06 variety. 7.62 = .30 .308 is neither a .30 or 7.62. You can get M1s in .308, but not WWII vintage ones.

Which gun you would like to call the trench broom/sweeper really depends on what war you are referring to, as stated above.

And please quit referring to the mauser as a rodent gun. Heh.

[Fireal]

If u want realism there would be not more than 3 tommys per group 1 bar and the rest riflemens. n world war II u had to earn a tommy
BAR was mostly used back and would just give cover (Unless by the 30 cal)

And the bar has too low recoil its to easy to use

[Ydiss]

[quote="Animal Mother":76aa1]If u want realism there would be not more than 3 tommys per group 1 bar and the rest riflemens. n world war II u had to earn a tommy
BAR was mostly used back and would just give cover (Unless by the 30 cal)

And the bar has too low recoil its to easy to use[/quote:76aa1]

Yes, but sadly it's impossible to limit weapon numbers in MOH - It'd been done already if it were.

[MPowell1944]

Complaining about MGs in realism is like complaining about rockets in a stock game. Deal with it or find a way to kill them first.

[Innoxx]

[quote="Pvt Flagg":5c91f]the bar ..and springfieald model 03 both chamber a 7.62x55 mm cartrige ...

and for this im cuting and pasteing from a firearms doc

Did You Know?
In World War I, the Winchester Model 1897 quickly became known as the trench broom, for it's ability to clear the trenches of opponents and sweep the skies of grenades. Using buckshot loads, US soldiers could deflect enemy hand grenades hurled through the air.
.................................................. .................................................. .....
and as for the 7mm mouser ..it fires a 7.92 mm round ..but was made for ww1 ..and had chambering problems ..

Flagg

Operation Air cooled, gas operated, magazine fed, shoulder type
M1918A1 selective fire (fully and semi-automatic)
M1918A2 fully automatic
Caliber .30 (7.62 mm)
Muzzle velocity 853.4 mps (2800 fps)
Capacity 20-round detachable box magazine
(1) Bandoleer (BAR belt): 12 magazines
(2) Magazine changeable in 2-4 seconds
(but averaged 6-8 seconds in combat)
Weight 8.33 kg (18.5 lbs)
Overall length 119.4 cm (47 in.)
Rate of fire 550 rounds per minute
Effective range 550m (600 yds)
Ammunition (1) Ball M2; 150 gr bullet, 50 gr charge
(2) Tracer M25, M1: for designating targets and signalling
(3) Armor piercing M2 (black tip); 165gr/53gr
(4) Armor piercing incendiary: for lightly armored flammable targets

god i love bar's![/quote:5c91f]

I'd really like to see you load an ORIGINAL american long rifle (M1, M1903, M1918) with a .308 caliber cartridge. The M1897 was phased out in the late 20's and was replaced by the Windchester M-12. The M1897 was an extreme rarity in ww2. It's commercial name is the 8mm Mauser, round off you cocksucker. Spell the fucking name right too.

The BAR was a piece of shit. The reason it wasn't phased out after WW1 was because the war dept. simply didn't have anything better to use as a squad based support weapon. It was too light to be classified as an LMG and too heavy to be classified as an assault rifle. Which in turn meant that sustained fire from the BAR would be nearly impossible due to the light barrel and frame. It would lose its bearing after the first shot. Another bad thing about the BAR was the 20 round box magazine, which meant that the operator would have to reload frequently putting the firer in unessesary harm. I'd much rather march into battle with a DP28, Bren, ZB26, Type 99, Hotchkiss and/or MG34.

[Pvt Flagg]

well if you could read frenchy ...i said

the bar was a good gun untill you fired 40 or 50 rounds through it and then the accuracy went to hell ..

but see you only choose to read what you want to ..

and about the shotgun ..i said IN WORLD WAR I IT WAS CALLED THE TRENCH BROOM ..

not ww2 ..

see the thing about pre pubecent fools like you ..you think you know it all and you anoy those of us who really do know it all

well not all ..im still working on that whole brain surgery thing ..and i have one or two more weeks to go on my nuclear phisics masters ..then i WILL know it all

Flagg

"if you take yourself seriously enugh to get pissed off over a sugestion for a true realisum mod that you have to start calling people names like frenchy and pest do ..seek help now ..before its too late and you become one of the masses of bozo's out there "

[Strik0r]

isn't inny like 20?

[Innoxx]

Good for you Flagg, I hope you feel good about yourself. You know, for a man of your stature you would at least learn to spell PHYSICS right. Fuck, you're so full of it.

[Innoxx]

Fuck, I'm gonna leave this thread open so that the true gun nuts can prove your errors.

[Ferich]

well if you could read frenchy ...i said

the bar was a good gun untill you fired 40 or 50 rounds through it and then the accuracy went to hell ..

Considering it took 20 round Magazines....


but see you only choose to read what you want to ..

and about the shotgun ..i said IN WORLD WAR I IT WAS CALLED THE TRENCH BROOM ..

not ww2 ..

see the thing about pre pubecent fools like you ..you think you know it all and you anoy those of us who really do know it all

At least we can spell

well not all ..im still working on that whole brain surgery thing ..and i have one or two more weeks to go on my nuclear phisics masters ..then i WILL know it all

Flagg

"if you take yourself seriously enugh to get pissed off over a sugestion for a true realisum mod that you have to start calling people names like frenchy and pest do ..seek help now ..before its too late and you become one of the masses of bozo's out there "

You suck at Guns. Die.

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.30-06 = 7.62x63mm
.308 = 7.62x51mm

A slight difference.


Also, stop saying .30 when you're talking about .308 or .30-06. There's a huge difference in that Department too.

.30 Carbine was a piece of shit round, only issued for a cheap replacement of the 1911, the M1 Shitbine.

[pest]

[quote="Pvt Flagg":b4f19]

"if you take yourself seriously enugh to get pissed off over a sugestion for a true realisum mod that you have to start calling people names like frenchy and pest do ..seek help now ..before its too late and you become one of the masses of bozo's out there "[/quote:b4f19]

Pissed? Heh, no, just correcting the errors you spread so liberally around this site.

True "realisum"? You truly are speaking out your ass now. I play video games for good game play, I could care less about realism to the little details. The weapons need balance in the game, not true "realisum".


Ferich - .30-06 and the .308 are both .30 projectiles, the difference is in the size of the casing.

[img]http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/.30-06.jpg[/img]

[Ferich]

The .30 has the same Diameter as the .308 and .30-06, yes. I don't see what you're trying to prove.

They're still two different rounds, that never should be confused.

Diameter ( Width ) does not manifest the projecticles being the same size. Maybe going by width, yes, but not by length.