[Tripper]

Originally Posted by ninty9

Today, in the 21st century, is really the first time in our history where one person could bring all of human achievement and all we know tumbling to the ground. 100 years ago, this wouldn't have been achievable by the strength of any nation. With numerous global threats, are we really going to get through all this?

Well, yeah, think how far we have come scientifically.

Look how far we have developed Space Travel. Ditto for Nuclear Science.
Its amazing how far our technology has come, and how much we rely on un-human things.

We definitely have more power in our hands as a human race, then we've ever had.

[Zoner]

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Seriously, though. Faith in mankind? I used to. I'm becoming jaded in my old age.

[Eight Ace]

...you know, Mankind is a bit like Womankind...you can't live with it and you can't live without it,
no matter how extreme the bitching may get.....'til next time, I'm Eight Ace. freak:

[quote="ED!":3bbb8]Well, a new generation of softheads and pansies will take care of the "war" issue. Thank you UC Berkely.[/quote:3bbb8]

with warmongers like ^ and fools like Bush in high positions
no I don't have faith in mankind, until people start using their brains (instead of blindly following religion or whoever happens to be leader at the time)

Originally Posted by Tripper

Well, yeah, think how far we have come scientifically.

Look how far we have developed Space Travel. Ditto for Nuclear Science.
Its amazing how far our technology has come, and how much we rely on un-human things.

We definitely have more power in our hands as a human race, then we've ever had.

we've come a long way but unfortunately the idiots in charge are happy to use inferior technology to pollute the Earth to hell and dismiss experts' opinions as bullshit.
Of course the average layperson's fear of "nuke-you-ler" power is really fucking up our evironment, in fact coal spews more radioactive material INTO THE ATHMOSPHERE, while nuclear waste stays in containers underground.

So basically our problem is stupid people outnumber smart people, so their stupid peers get elected and make stupid decisions.

[Bazooka_Joe]

Our advancements in technoligy have brought us closer to doing things we've never even imagined we could do, so yeah, I trust mankind.

[Blitz-krieg]

Originally Posted by Zoner91

[img]http://www.the11thhour.com/archives/072000/features/images/role_mankind.jpg[/img]

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Seriously, though. Faith in mankind? I used to. I'm becoming jaded in my old age.

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[ED!]

[quote="Sgt Stryker":982c7][quote="ED!":982c7]Well, a new generation of softheads and pansies will take care of the "war" issue. Thank you UC Berkely.[/quote:982c7]

with warmongers like ^ and fools like Bush in high positions
no I don't have faith in mankind, until people start using their brains (instead of blindly following religion or whoever happens to be leader at the time)[/quote:982c7]

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! The previous threads flame had died down and I was itching for another one.

War Mongerer huh - you can say that from what? Done a detailed profile of me have you. Shit son we could put you on CSI and BAM! you'd be like a superhero or something. You'd have to stop jizzing in a sock though, and that acne would have to go - but I think we can swing it.

War, conflict, etc have been the driving forces of advancement and technological breakthrough. People dont sit around and think - "gee everything is so peaceful and serene, lemme make a nuclear bomb". No - evoluton is defined by struggle to ADAPT to a HARSH setting, and learning to control your environment. It just so happens that there are situations in the world that give us a good reason to go to war and to fight and to expand.

Of course I'm sure if we used our "brains" we could have sent in a negotiator to the Taliban stronghold and asked them very nicely if they could please not kill us anymore, and stop hijacking our planes, and make it unsafe for americans to travel abroad. Oh yea. That would have worked. . .for about the five seconds it would have taken them to load their guns and shoot us in the head.

Nixon was right - u kids are useless.

The war against the Taliban was 100% justified,
what was the reason Bush gave for going into Iraq?
phantom WMDs?
even the "Saddam is an evil dictator" reason is a better one that the official reason.

I hate Saddam as much as the next guy, but because Iraqis are being opressed doesn't make it right to send in US soldiers and trade US lives for Iraqi lives.
the US military exists to protect the security of Americans, therefore exterminating the Taliban to the last raghead was a good idea, because they posed a threat.

Hussein does not have the conventional means to hurt the US (SCUDs only shoot out to 500 miles, that's a few thousand short to get here).
Also contrary to what Bush says AL Quaeda and Saddam hate each other, mainly because of his oppression of the shiite muslims.

Saudi Arabia is known to have close ties with Bin Laden and Al Quaeda, so why the fuck aren't we bombing them instead? Taking out Saudi Arabia would be more justified considering their financial ties with OBL and the fact that most of the hijackers were Saudi.

I am not against war in defense of our homland, I am against the US playing global cop in areas where US interests are in no way threatened, best example was Kosovo. Before we interfered the Serbs had the situation under contol, sure they were heavy-handed, but look what is going on now:

Drug traffic has increased throughout Europe, the Albanian so-called "refugees" have nearly doubled Europe's crime rate, and the Albainan mafia is on the verge of defeating the Italian mafia. So it looks like the Albanians were getting all that they deserved from the Serbs, but we had to butt in.

I fear that the same thing is going on in Iraq.
Look at the latest targets, somebody blew up a mosque, they killed some religious leader, etc.
These are not Saddam loyalists attacking US troops, it looks more like various religious factions are going after each other. These people aren't ready for the 21st century, they aren't even ready for the 20th.

Also one has to understand that if a foreign power invades and starts wrecking everything and anything the people are more likely to rally to their leaders, even if the leaders are evil.

[Stinger_Dude]

Mankind would only exist when a powerful government takes over the world and the entire human race resort to prozium and Grammatron Clerics enforce the law.

[quote="Stinger_Dude":75ea0]Mankind would only exist when a powerful government takes over the world and the entire human race resort to prozium and Grammatron Clerics enforce the law.[/quote:75ea0]

what scifi is that from?

[Drew]

[quote="Sgt Stryker":88ce4]doesn't make it right to send in US soldiers and trade US lives for Iraqi lives.
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Not even going to read any more of your post than that. Our soldiers enlist under the oath to protect freedom and justice around the world. They understand that they may have to give their lives in the pursuit of liberty. The number of US casualties doesn't even crest 1% of 1% of the Iraqis slaughtered by Hussein. I don't give a fuck what liberal CNN told you to think, the war in Iraq was not only justified - and here's a really difficult concept for you fucking knucklehead liberals - it was the RIGHT THING TO DO.

this is the military oath "I, ___________________________________, do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed overme, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

I don't see anything about protecting freedom and justice around the world.


Even if it was so, why Iraq?
There are a multitude of places in Africa where the leadership has mudered far more people.
North Korea is a genuine threat to the US, they actually have a nuke and Krazy Kim has re-iterated time and again that they are willing to go to war.

Turkey is quite oppressive to the Kurds, but for some reason being a NATO member automatically makes them "the good guys". So basically NATO members can kill Kurds but non-members can't?

PS. instead of CNN do you want me to believe what conservatives say about themselves?

you're too funny biggrin:

Bush says the "no child left behind act" is a good idea, I read just today that my old school district did not pass the damn tests.
Not only are our averages higher than most of Kansas, but I managed to get through Calculus 1 and 2 and college level chemistry 1 and 2 in my district.
I then got a 5 on the chem AP (A credit for chem 1 and 2) and I went straight into Calc 3 in college and got an A in that.
I was by far not the only student who took college level classes at the high school (actually instructed by HS teachers, not taking class at college for HS credit) and did well in them

Looks like my district was doing allright,
and MR. "nuke-you-ler" says that the "no child left behind" works biggrin:

So how am I supposed to interpret these blatant lies?

[Drew]

Given the fact that the United States military was founded for the sole purpose of the pursuit of liberty and freedom, I thought that just maybe you'd be able to infer that that ideal would hold true and be generally accepted by the enlistees intelligent enough to do the same. But then that's the definition of a liberal, isn't it? They want to find something wrong with everything so they can bitch about something. Liberals are the same reason that school districts are shelling out MILLIONS of dollars in LAW SUITS propegated by liberal institutes like the ACLU because they didn't offer an appropriate selection of meat alternatives. GG.