I only mentioned those states because once you get out of the Deep south , it turns mores to hatred than heritage.

Guys , look.....

Im not a confederate , or a nazi , or a racist...... hell Im not even a baptist.

I just understand the meaning of the confederate flag as someone who grew up in the deep south would , thats all.

There are those who use the flag to sybolize hatred. They are idiots. And I have nothing to do with them.

[Fireal]

Can i be a confederate though?

Animal , buddy .....you can be anything you put your mind to lol.

[Fireal]

I want to be a professional QB, i would hae done it possibly if i didnt break my arm.

[Tripper]

[quote="Cpl. Eames":17039]the flag represents their heritage and their sacrafice, and shouldn't be desecrated...because men died defending it.[/quote:17039]

.....You could say exactly the same thing about the Swastika. rolleyes:

Junior, leave the arguing to people with worthwhile points. happy:

Tripper , you dont understand. your not an american.

[Chango]

[quote="{TRC}ZenMaster":f8fa8]Tripper , you dont understand. your not an american.[/quote:f8fa8]

That's irrelevant, the point he was making still applies.

Do you think that people look at the flag and think "oh, he must be proud of his heritage" or would they consider him a link to all those groups that use it as a symbol for hate.

The only publicity the flag is getting is from those groups, why would you even want to risk being linked to them?

[Tripper]

[quote="{TRC}ZenMaster":e8c76]Tripper , you dont understand. your not an american.[/quote:e8c76]

That is actually irrelevant.

I'd like to hear why you think you have to be American to understand.

There is no way Im gonna sit here and type a damn chapter of history on the American Civil War.

Look its simple.....

The confederate flag , dispite being used by some as a symbol of slavery and racism , has the heritage of those who faught for it in the civil war.

Now if you have the impression the civil war began , was faught , or ended because of slavery you are mistaken.

This has nothing to do with Germany or the nazi party.

I find that most people of forien nations have no real clue about American History , exept what they have seen at the movie theaters.
Which for the most part is completely false , and is made for the simple desire to make a profitable film.

This would be like me commenting on the the Revolution of a forien country , because I saw a film about it.

[Tripper]

[quote="{TRC}ZenMaster":b3d8a]There is no way Im gonna sit here and type a damn chapter of history on the American Civil War.

Look its simple.....

The confederate flag , dispite being used by some as a symbol of slavery and racism , has the heritage of those who faught for it in the civil war.

Now if you have the impression the civil war began , was faught , or ended because of slavery you are mistaken.

This has nothing to do with Germany or the nazi party.

I find that most people of forien nations have no real clue about American History , exept what they have seen at the movie theaters.
Which for the most part is completely false , and is made for the simple desire to make a profitable film.

This would be like me commenting on the the Revolution of a forien country , because I saw a film about it.[/quote:b3d8a]

*Ahem*

I just finished a year of AS Cambridge History, which was ENTIRELY American History.

....and it covered the entire Civil War, including secession, and the Reconstruction period following the War. In serious depth I might add.

So yes, I do know what I'm talking about, and yes, protection of slavery (or, the southern 'right' to their 'peculiar institution'), played a huge part in denying compromise during the secession period, ultimately causing the Civil War.


GG Though. the_finger:

[imported_Fluffy_Bunny]

So judging by one of the points in this post one would have to be a jew to understand the holocaust? stupid:

[descry]

[quote=Tripper]

Originally Posted by "{TRC}ZenMaster":afa88

There is no way Im gonna sit here and type a damn chapter of history on the American Civil War.

Look its simple.....

The confederate flag , dispite being used by some as a symbol of slavery and racism , has the heritage of those who faught for it in the civil war.

Now if you have the impression the civil war began , was faught , or ended because of slavery you are mistaken.

This has nothing to do with Germany or the nazi party.

I find that most people of forien nations have no real clue about American History , exept what they have seen at the movie theaters.
Which for the most part is completely false , and is made for the simple desire to make a profitable film.

This would be like me commenting on the the Revolution of a forien country , because I saw a film about it.

*Ahem*

I just finished a year of AS Cambridge History, which was ENTIRELY American History.

....and it covered the entire Civil War, including secession, and the Reconstruction period following the War. In serious depth I might add.

So yes, I do know what I'm talking about, and yes, protection of slavery (or, the southern 'right' to their 'peculiar institution'), played a huge part in denying compromise during the secession period, ultimately causing the Civil War.


GG Though. the_finger:[/quote:afa88]

OMG |OWNT|

Thats funny , I kind of expected a "your gay" from you. But it is nice to see a resonable responce from you. Thank you for that.

Now , Slavery was a bi-product. It would have been abolished sooner or later. The Imacipation Proclamation was not concerning the Civil War.

The biggest issue that started the Civil War was Economics and The ballance of Government power. Due to the Properganda created to unite the remaining States to hold down the Revolution , the Southern States got a bad rap.

Look my point is simply this...

The Confererate solgiars who went to war for there freedom are regarded as the enemy of that freedom because of slavery. Prior to the Civil War Slavery was used widely in ALL states. Fathers and sons , Relitives and neibors faught each other and died defending what they believed was right. If you ever end up in the deep south of the US you will see Confederate flags in people yards , right beside the stars and stripes. You will see monuments erected to those you died , and you may even be lucky enough to come across the rebel song.
There is enourmous pride for those who died there. It has nothing to do with racism or slavery. Its about honor , courage and respect for the fallen solgiar.

I hope this will clarify my standing on this issue. These things I know because I lived there. My familly is one such familly that faught each other in the Civil War. We have a long heritage and I can tell you from the actual documents handed down to me through the generations that slavery had very little to do with the Why solgiars went to arms.

[Unknown_Sniper]

back on topic girls. IF they changed that do you know how much else they would have ot change. Engines for trucks and so forth. SLave cylinders master alarms, etc. Man they need to stu and stop crying. It wasnt just black people who were slaves every race on this planet has been a slave at one time or another. So they should shut the fuck up and go get a job. They cant keep sueing peopl for money or they will get their asses handed to them.

BTW ,

Drop the OWNT and GG crap Tripper , Im an adult and childish antics dont impress me. Use some respect. I dont end my responces that way , I offer you your oppion with no desire to discredit you. That is the standing of an adult. I can respond to your questions and responces without being a child.

Can you do that?