Space war with China? - Page 2

ninty · 12-05-2003, 03:38 PM

I'm not dismantling the US. I said the US should put their resorces to other things. Not the moon since you've been there already. What the fuck is the problem?

Ferich · 12-05-2003, 03:41 PM

Dismantaling as in manifesting a need to always take the negative things with something and show them to everyone. Be more happy. oOo:

TGB! · 12-05-2003, 03:45 PM

Competition drives technology, it movtivates. The United States sees another super power getting its eye Moon Exploration so why wouldnt they go back? It's like the buff guy on the beach, totally not even bothering to work on his lats because he doesnt have to and all of a sudden another smooth oiled up adonis comes up on the sand and hes like "well I need to get back in shape".

ninty · 12-05-2003, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferich

Dismantaling as in manifesting a need to always take the negative things with something and show them to everyone. Be more happy. oOo:

This is a discussion board right? Cause if its not what the hell am I doing here?

I thought the point of posting threads was to generate discussion. My views are not negative, they are an opinion. Whether they be negative, positive, blue, green or as tall as a tree, it makes no difference.

I don't think the US needs to go back to the Moon. I think that Bush needs to jump on everything as if hes got something to prove. I don't think he needs to prove anything. I think NASA is smart enough to one day put someone on Mars, and I think that is what they should be gunning for after we complete the ISS. I don't see putting a half finished space station aside and chasing the Chinese around a logical step in Space exploration and research for the States.

Ferich · 12-05-2003, 04:04 PM

Settle down. I'm saying why I left, not why you should change your whole outlook on life.

Yes this is a discussion board, and discuss whatever you want.

I'm not mad at you, nor am I mad at anyone.

I couldn't take the heat, so I got out of the kitchen. rolleyes:

Madmartagen · 12-05-2003, 04:26 PM

They should have been doing this the whole time, not waiting for competition. Thats how this country is run nowadays. We wont imporve on things unless its threatened. China's step towards space is good for everyone. the more people invest in these kinds of programs, more better knowledge and technology will be available to us in the future. fuck mars, man, it will take a ship a year to get there or so. we should make more trips to the moon, look for ice, have offroad rallys on there with space walkers, and build more efficient shuttles.

ninty · 12-05-2003, 04:38 PM

Thats why investment in new space shuttles are needed. The current space shuttles are so inefficient its not even funny. Burning fuel to escape earths gravity is a 20th century idea. Traveling at 6 miles per second isn't fast enough. We currently have technologies to make things more efficient and travel at 5,000 miles per second, which is 3% the speed of light. We can do this right now using Nuclear Fission. It is possible to get these Atomic Rockets up to 12% the speed of light. That is fast enough to travle to Alpha Centauri in 46 years. Currently it would take the Space Shuttle 120,000 years at its top speed. Going to Mars on one of these babies would be a snap.

Antimatter, Nuclear Fusion, Laser Sails, and Fusion Ramjets are all other posibilities, but the technologies have not yet been developed.

Tystnad · 12-05-2003, 04:41 PM

Welcome to the world where request rules the developement..

Eight Ace · 12-05-2003, 04:41 PM

[quote="{TRC}ZenMaster":11367]I've heard about settlement ideas for the moon before too.
[/quote:11367]
Earth is in turmoil, conflict breaking out all over, the environment degraded constantly,
refugees spilling across borders, cities full of homeless, the gap between haves and have-nots
ever widening, unemployment, unaffordable health care....how can we stem this tide of despair..??

...I know!, MOON SETTLEMENTS!!

it's just so damn practical I can't believe I didn't think of it before, c'mon everyone
...put a fish bowl on your head and attach a really large firework sky-rocket to your back...were goin' home!! eek:

TGB! · 12-05-2003, 04:42 PM

Unless you invest in some inertial dampners - youd be killed going that speed. That and the spatial ability of man doesnt allow them to navigate at that speed.

ninty · 12-05-2003, 05:12 PM

The only thing you have to worry about is escaping the earths gravity. Once that is done, you can travel as fast as you can go. It makes no difference.

TGB! · 12-05-2003, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ninty9

The only thing you have to worry about is escaping the earths gravity. Once that is done, you can travel as fast as you can go. It makes no difference.

Not true. Whatever youre traveling in would transfer its inertia to you, and youd be pressed against your seat or flung to the other side of the cabin and turned into goo. Inertia has nothing to do with where you are, and everything to do with mass.

Tystnad · 12-05-2003, 05:30 PM

[quote="The Gay Blade!":9307a]

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Originally Posted by ninty9

The only thing you have to worry about is escaping the earths gravity. Once that is done, you can travel as fast as you can go. It makes no difference.

Not true. Whatever youre traveling in would transfer its inertia to you, and youd be pressed against your seat or flung to the other side of the cabin and turned into goo. Inertia has nothing to do with where you are, and everything to do with mass.[/quote:9307a]

If there is no gravity to pull you down into your seat, then how would that be a problem?
I get what youre trying to say here, but i dont think that would be an issue..

JBird · 12-05-2003, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ninty9

This is fucking gay. I think Bush is delerious.

Everyone knew China had been working on their own Space program for quite a long time. I think its great that they put a man into space under their own power. They said that their next step is the moon. Which seems logical, but they said it would take them until 2020 I believe to get everything ready to go there. Why the fuck does the States need to go there again? To prove a point? You've already been there. There are more important things that need to be done in space than showing up the Chinese. How about the billions of dollars put into a half finished International Space Station? Is that thing going to be in orbit for another 50 years only partially complete? What about instead of sending a man to the Moon again, end someone to Mars. Its quite conceivable.

And maybe Bush should have NASA running trips to the ISS again even before he says hes thinking of going to the moon.

What are they going to use to get there? I think they still have 2 Staurn5 rockets they could use on display ouside of Kennedy Space Centre. Bwhaha. Anyway, you'll need a new LEM to land on the moon. So first you have to build it and put it into orbit, then take the shuttle up there, somehow attach it to the shuttle, slingshot to the moon, get in the LEM, land on the moon for a game of golf, get in the LEM, go back to the shuttle and come home. Wheres the point in that? Seems like a BIG waste of money to me. The Apollo program was useful. It had a point. This doesn't. I think Bush is on glue or something. Good thing is he'll be out of office by the time this thing goes through if it does, and hopefully the next president will beable to put these resources toward something else.

too bad you cant vote for the man to take his place. happy:

TGB! · 12-05-2003, 05:37 PM

[quote:ae8e3]If there is no gravity to pull you down into your seat, then how would that be a problem?
I get what youre trying to say here, but i dont think that would be an issue..[/quote:ae8e3]

If there were no gravity, man wouldnt be able to survive long in space. But if that werent an issue, lets look at it this way -

Youre in a ship, no gravity, so your just floating there. What happens when your ship starts moving. You wouldnt remain stationary, and with no gravity and force pushing on you (which means you'd be wearing a gas mask to provide oxygen, assuming your in a vacuumed spaceship), then you would be pressed against the back of the ship. Now you have a force against against you and after that, only a matter of time.