[Duke_of_Ray]

This makes me sick. I hope every one of these loosers gets thrown into jail, never to see the light of day again. Look at all those people over there dieing while they run becuase they don't have the guts to fight for their country. Man this is so annoying. I could never do this to my friends, my family, or my country. Uhhggg!!!! DOn't give me that freaking your not doing anything crap, because I am in the bloody Air Force so that I might do something for my country.

[Madmartagen]

Yeah you just enlisted ok fly boy, dont get all excited there. Last time I checked, the marines, army and national guard are the ones getting shot at, not you top guns.

[Duke_of_Ray]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

Yeah you just enlisted ok fly boy, dont get all excited there. Last time I checked, the marines, army and national guard are the ones getting shot at, not you top guns.

What have you done? Tell me? Do you not think Air cops get shot at? How about Air Force special forces? Every job is just as important as the next, so when you do something to serve your country maybe you will have a little room to talk.

[Madmartagen]

I actually served in the Navy for 4 years bud. What I am saying is that you havent started your tour, so dont start criticizing others who have already joined if they decide not to fight in Iraq. From what ive heard, its a pretty nasty place.

[TGB!]

Originally Posted by Akuma

Says the fags on the interwebs who aren't fighting in Iraq. Hell I doubt any of you would ever serve your country.

Either go die for your country or stop critizing them.

I served - what have you done other than "mosh out" and read from the satanic bible? Yea - real "non-comformist". You and the other million or so post-modern-burn outs.

I can say is anyone who is derelict in their duties when MILLIONS depend on them is not only a righteous pussy on a scale of knee-jerk-bitch-foreigners-more-concerned-with-American-interests-than-their-own-fucked-up-nationalized-health-care-system, but also a traitor deserving of the strictest of punishment. You dont agree with the war - tough shit cocksucker theres nothing in that contract you signed that you and your fucking country had to be in agreement. You have a job to do - you KNEW the fucking risks when you signed up, now you compromise the safety of not only your asset (Iraqi people) but of your own fucking unit. . .

Any of you foreign shits - yes FOREIGN SHITS - who think leaving your unit behind is deserving of heroism need to get off the computer, get off your own god damn high horse, stop playing arm-chair quarterbacks and actually get a damn life.

That ANYONE would be cheering these people is absolutely ridiculous.

But hey - lets let people choose whats "morally" right for them to do. . .

Lets let the racist cop sit in his car while the black women is raped. He doesnt think shes human anyway - it goes against his beliefs to help her.

Or hey, lets let that doctor not perform emergency surgery on the illegal immigrant. Fuck his oath - he doesnt have to respect illegals. . .they arent here the right way.

I like this new system of saying fuck you to my contract and doing what I thin is right. . .

[BeanerMan]

[quote="TGB!":3af9f]

Originally Posted by Akuma

Says the fags on the interwebs who aren't fighting in Iraq. Hell I doubt any of you would ever serve your country.

Either go die for your country or stop critizing them.

I served - what have you done other than "mosh out" and read from the satanic bible? Yea - real "non-comformist". You and the other million or so post-modern-burn outs.

I can say is anyone who is derelict in their duties when MILLIONS depend on them is not only a righteous pussy on a scale of knee-jerk-bitch-foreigners-more-concerned-with-American-interests-than-their-own-fucked-up-nationalized-health-care-system, but also a traitor deserving of the strictest of punishment. You dont agree with the war - tough shit cocksucker theres nothing in that contract you signed that you and your fucking country had to be in agreement. You have a job to do - you KNEW the fucking risks when you signed up, now you compromise the safety of not only your asset (Iraqi people) but of your own fucking unit. . .

Any of you foreign shits - yes FOREIGN SHITS - who think leaving your unit behind is deserving of heroism need to get off the computer, get off your own god damn high horse, stop playing arm-chair quarterbacks and actually get a damn life.

That ANYONE would be cheering these people is absolutely ridiculous.

But hey - lets let people choose whats "morally" right for them to do. . .

Lets let the racist cop sit in his car while the black women is raped. He doesnt think shes human anyway - it goes against his beliefs to help her.

Or hey, lets let that doctor not perform emergency surgery on the illegal immigrant. Fuck his oath - he doesnt have to respect illegals. . .they arent here the right way.

I like this new system of saying fuck you to my contract and doing what I thin is right. . .[/quote:3af9f]

I like your point of view. I kind of disagreed with you in the beginning of your statement but you convinced me at the end. Well done. +1 rock:

[Madmartagen]

Bullshit, and before your cheerleaders start chiming in, I would like to point out that you can pick your battles in the military. They have concientous objection status for people who dont want to fight. You can get reassigned or serve your time in jail. I belive its a risk you take when you join, but look at the track record of the military actually giving a shit about its own soldiers. You get injured, you get the good old rim job of fighting for medication just like HMOs. You get poisoned or exposed to toxins or agents, good luck getting anyone to help you after the war. You sign up to serve your country, and yes that means whenever they call you, but you do have a right to choose between serving or doing jail time. i dont know about desertion, but nobody wants you in your unit after youve made it obvious you arent willing to fight for the cause. You going to mow down a group of women and children just becuause your seargent or Lt tell you to? you going to take that truck and humvee 45 miles to a checkpoint w/o a convoy? like someone else said, its their loss. what is the point of spending millions of dollars training these people if you send them in combat with shitty equiptment, divided support from home, an unclear and possibly fraudulent reason for going to war in the first place, and rampant war profiteering. The war on terrorism is in Afghanistan, not Iraq. I bet these people wouldnt have deserted if they were assigned there instead. We have orders in our lives to do, but just because you are in the military, it doesnt mean you have to go against your convictions. take the penalty and move on with your life.

[Duke_of_Ray]

Either do your duty, or shut up and die.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

Bullshit, and before your cheerleaders start chiming in, I would like to point out that you can pick your battles in the military. They have concientous objection status for people who dont want to fight. You can get reassigned or serve your time in jail. I belive its a risk you take when you join, but look at the track record of the military actually giving a shit about its own soldiers. You get injured, you get the good old rim job of fighting for medication just like HMOs. You get poisoned or exposed to toxins or agents, good luck getting anyone to help you after the war. You sign up to serve your country, and yes that means whenever they call you, but you do have a right to choose between serving or doing jail time. i dont know about desertion, but nobody wants you in your unit after youve made it obvious you arent willing to fight for the cause. You going to mow down a group of women and children just becuause your seargent or Lt tell you to? you going to take that truck and humvee 45 miles to a checkpoint w/o a convoy? like someone else said, its their loss. what is the point of spending millions of dollars training these people if you send them in combat with shitty equiptment, divided support from home, an unclear and possibly fraudulent reason for going to war in the first place, and rampant war profiteering. The war on terrorism is in Afghanistan, not Iraq. I bet these people wouldnt have deserted if they were assigned there instead. We have orders in our lives to do, but just because you are in the military, it doesnt mean you have to go against your convictions. take the penalty and move on with your life.

but why are you happy they are deserting. From what you said, I would think that you would encourage to take the jail time rather than go off to war.

[Madmartagen]

Im not happy they are deserting, im offended why people instantly call them cowards and traitors when half of the people in this country dont support the war. The article said they tried to get reassigned out of Iraq (though I dont know if they req Afghanistan) but they were turned down. They also apparently lost their application for concientous (sp?) objection status. They had a choice between running to Canada or doing time. I dont know what I would have done, but they were in a tough spot. This war is fucked, guys, people are having their tours extended w/o an end in sight and they are being sent off on some crusade w/o a real clear objective other than to police a country we fucked up. The point of my rant is simply to not immediately call them cowards, pussies and traitors.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

Im not happy they are deserting, im offended why people instantly call them cowards and traitors when half of the people in this country dont support the war. The article said they tried to get reassigned out of Iraq (though I dont know if they req Afghanistan) but they were turned down. They also apparently lost their application for concientous (sp?) objection status. They had a choice between running to Canada or doing time. I dont know what I would have done, but they were in a tough spot. This war is fucked, guys, people are having their tours extended w/o an end in sight and they are being sent off on some crusade w/o a real clear objective other than to police a country we fucked up. The point of my rant is simply to not immediately call them cowards, pussies and traitors.

i understand your view now. I do agree that you cannot immediately shout out "Pussy".

These men shouldn't be looked up to. Deserting is not the answer for everything (well, even though it probably is biggrin: ).

[Madmartagen]

yes im not saying theyre heroes or that they should be looked up to, just ffs guys, take a break to think before you start the flaming.

[Tripper]

[quote="TGB!":127c8]

Originally Posted by Akuma

Says the fags on the interwebs who aren't fighting in Iraq. Hell I doubt any of you would ever serve your country.

Either go die for your country or stop critizing them.

I served - what have you done other than "mosh out" and read from the satanic bible? Yea - real "non-comformist". You and the other million or so post-modern-burn outs.

I can say is anyone who is derelict in their duties when MILLIONS depend on them is not only a righteous pussy on a scale of knee-jerk-bitch-foreigners-more-concerned-with-American-interests-than-their-own-fucked-up-nationalized-health-care-system, but also a traitor deserving of the strictest of punishment. You dont agree with the war - tough shit cocksucker theres nothing in that contract you signed that you and your fucking country had to be in agreement. You have a job to do - you KNEW the fucking risks when you signed up, now you compromise the safety of not only your asset (Iraqi people) but of your own fucking unit. . .

Any of you foreign shits - yes FOREIGN SHITS - who think leaving your unit behind is deserving of heroism need to get off the computer, get off your own god damn high horse, stop playing arm-chair quarterbacks and actually get a damn life.

That ANYONE would be cheering these people is absolutely ridiculous.

But hey - lets let people choose whats "morally" right for them to do. . .

Lets let the racist cop sit in his car while the black women is raped. He doesnt think shes human anyway - it goes against his beliefs to help her.

Or hey, lets let that doctor not perform emergency surgery on the illegal immigrant. Fuck his oath - he doesnt have to respect illegals. . .they arent here the right way.

I like this new system of saying fuck you to my contract and doing what I thin is right. . .[/quote:127c8]


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[Milla]

[quote="TGB!":df69f]Any of you foreign shits - yes FOREIGN SHITS - who think leaving your unit behind is deserving of heroism need to get off the computer, get off your own god damn high horse, stop playing arm-chair quarterbacks and actually get a damn life.

That ANYONE would be cheering these people is absolutely ridiculous.[/quote:df69f]


Fucking a right rock:

[Mr.Buttocks]

These 5,500 are just following the example set by their current Commander in Chief; he didn't want to go to Vietnam, they don't want to go to Iraq. What's the problem here? Is Bush a coward too?