The meaning of life - Page 2

bukdez · 01-10-2005, 10:52 AM

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strvs · 01-10-2005, 10:59 AM

I don't think there's any real meaning to life, we're simply organisms living out our lifespan, there's no greater power, no "ultimate solution"

We're just phycotic apes...

ninty · 01-10-2005, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ninty9

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005YUNJ/002-9848388-4377608?v=glance

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(when i can)...

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Hollywood · 01-10-2005, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by strvs

I don't think there's any real meaning to life, we're simply organisms living out our lifespan, there's no greater power, no "ultimate solution"

We're just phycotic apes...

False

How can there be no greater power when everything in existince was created somehow. The universe had to have been created from something, it didn't just appear magically, and if it was created what was there before it? And who or what created it? Thinking there isn't some greater power is not thinking at all, why live your life so closed-minded?

strvs · 01-10-2005, 11:39 AM

There's no explaining how the universe works, but id like to see some more proof before i would believe there's a "creator". Right now there's more proof against it, and the concept of evolution seems alot more logical than a divine creation...IMO.

ninty · 01-10-2005, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by strvs

I don't think there's any real meaning to life, we're simply organisms living out our lifespan, there's no greater power, no "ultimate solution"

We're just phycotic apes...

False

How can there be no greater power when everything in existince was created somehow. The universe had to have been created from something, it didn't just appear magically, and if it was created what was there before it? And who or what created it? Thinking there isn't some greater power is not thinking at all, why live your life so closed-minded?

Why does the universe have to be created?

Those who are religious say that God always was, and always will be. Why can't our Universe have always been and always will be?

Truth is, you don't know that the universe had to be created. Nobody does on the face of this planet.

This is a subject the human brain can not comprehend. When we say, "what was there before it?" we don't like to hear "nothing". We can't comprehend there being an eternity of nothing. It doesn't make sense,

We don't know how the universe was created. I have put serious thought into religious creationism, as I went to a catholic school for 13 years of my life. I have come to the conclusions that i am agnostic.

"An agnostic thinks it impossible to know the truth in matters such as God and the future life with which Christianity and other religions are concerned. Or, if not impossible, at least impossible at the present time."

This is true for me. I can't tell you whether god exists or not, but to tell you the truth I don't think he had anything to do with the creation of the universe.

ninty · 01-10-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by strvs

There's no explaining how the universe works, but id like to see some more proof before i would believe there's a "creator". Right now there's more proof against it, and the concept of evolution seems alot more logical than a divine creation...IMO.

Evolution isn't a concept. It's fact.

What was the fist form of life on the earth? The earth formed 4.5billion years ago. Really shortly after, about 4 billion years ago, life began to take hold in the form of amino acids and polypeptides. These evolved into single celled organisms which rules the earth for a long time. Eventually, there was an outbreak of life over a few million years. many small fish and other things like that began to appear.

Someone who doesn't believe in evolution must then believe that all mamals and other forms of life were put on the earth at the same time, or maybe they just spontaneously appeared after a while. The truth is, everything on this planet started from those amino acids and polypeptides. Dinosaurs, humans, monkeys and whales all evolved from those simple forms.

If there are people out there who do not believe this, then they need to do some reading, because this has been known for quite some time.

strvs · 01-10-2005, 11:50 AM

I don't disagree. calmdown: beer:

ninty · 01-10-2005, 11:56 AM

I know. I was just expanding on your thought. dance:

And if anyone's interested at how the planet formed, and how life got here and everything like that, take a look at this miniseries:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/origins/

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... d&n=507846

I own this DVD and it is excellent. Tells you how the earth formed, how the moon formed, basically how our solar system formed, and everything that happened in it from the beginning until now.

Also, the best miniseries of all time is Carl Sagan's Cosmos:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... ance&s=dvd

I own this as well. This is 13 hours of how the universe was created and everything inside it. Sagan ties in the cosmos with real life historical examples. I also own the book which is a great read as well.

You can see how well liked this series is:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081846/?fr ... ft=27;fm=1

imported_Fluffy_Bunny · 01-10-2005, 12:31 PM

ET LIVES ETS ALOIVE!!!!!!!!1111

Hollywood · 01-10-2005, 12:48 PM

The point is, there could not have been "nothingness". You can't create something or have something created from nothing, so there must have always been something out there. I did not say that I think there is an all powerful god, but that there is some kind of higher power that we will never comprehend.

I believe in evolution, because evolution is pretty much fact. There is no way all beings were created at the same time, I mean are Dinosaur bones fake? Is the earth only 4000 years old? Of course not, that's blashphemy.

But you cannot think that the wonder of the universe and life in general does not have some kind of higher importance than just "to live". I don't believe that the human race is owed an explanation for the life that was given to us. But the universe itself is such an impossible entity to understand, something had to create it, and whatever created it had to have been created from something else. Matter does not just appear, and if there was something before matter and atoms and molecules, then my point is invalid because all of the laws of science go out the window.

Bottom line is it all gives me a headache. But just thinking about how there was never a "nothingess" will at least give you comfort in the fact that your life is not insignificant. Maybe there is something after you die, but if nothing happens, well then maybe you can make a comparison to the universe there. Maybe "nothingness" is possible, although it seems like a pardox to me.

Bleuachdu · 01-10-2005, 12:50 PM

Where did the amino acids and polypeptides come from? Life just forming over millions of years is considered fact? I don't understand how this evidence is any more convincing than creationism.

I for one am a Christian. I also believe that evolution exists, likely on a different or smaller scale. I think the two can coexist... anyone else?

Pick Axe · 01-10-2005, 12:59 PM

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Bah, I thought this post would carry some Monty Python... annoy:

Yeah, me too. Was hoping for a rousing chorus of "every sperm is sacred".[/quote:00281]

Me three..... eek:

ninty · 01-10-2005, 01:09 PM

If one thing must create another thing, then there is never a beginning, and never an end. If this can be considered, then I don't understand why nothingness can't be considered.

There are a lot of things in the universe that our laws can't explain. We have not yet unified the four forces of gravity, electromagnitism, and the two strong and weak nuclear forces. Until this is done, the universe won't be explained.

For instance, it is accepted by physicists that at the centre of a black hole there is a large mass. This creates the massive garvatitional pull in which not even light can escape. However, the volume of that mass is 0. The mass takes up no space. In other words, there is a point of zero volume and infinite density. How can this be? It doesn't make any sense to us, yet it is widley accepted.

And, yes amino acids forming over millions of years is proof of evolution.

Trunks · 01-10-2005, 01:38 PM

wow... that made me think... a lot... good job bunny rock:

IMO, the meaning of life is death, and the meaning of death is life. People die so that other can take their place and live in their place, and then they get old and are replaced by a new generation, and so continues the never ending circle... All the things we have, money, power, love, friendship... all in all they are illusions, which misguide us. Because all in all, in 200 years, your own relatives wont even remember you. For all we know, in 1000 or 10000, or 100000 years humanity will be eradicated, and what then? All that we have worked for and strived for, since the dawn of humanity will be forever lost. All our great heroes and warriors, conquerors and protectors, inventors and scientists, rulers and leaders, will all mean nothing.