[Coleman]

Originally Posted by c312

yeah, because we love to just kill people for the hell of it. eek:

No, there is always a reason behind our actions

/me anticipates Pryo's response to be simply "oil"

[Pyro]

Originally Posted by Coleman

oil

[c312]

which is why our oil prices have been going up ever since the war started correct?

[c312]

oil wouldn't even be a problem if those californian bitches would allow drilling off the coast or if they drilled more in Alaska

you know it doesn't make sense, Californians have decided themselves not to allow drilling off the coast, yet Alaskans have an overwhelming majority of people who support drilling in Alaska and they still aren't allowed by all the environmental agencies to do it. Do the states get to decide or what?

[ninty]

oil prices have been going up because of instability in the region where most of the worlds oil reserves are and the fact that india and china are asking for more and more oil. once things calm down in iraq, the us will have access to cheaper oil. then the next step is to make iran a parking lost so the US can access the caspian sea.

and yeah, i agree with you. people who want to preserve wildlife and the natural habitats of species are all bitches. i mean, it's our responsibility to wipe out as many species as possible and pollute and shit on this piece of shit rock we call earth. theres no need to be responsible in our decisions. we'll let someone else handle it. FUCK EVERYONE!!!

oh yeah BTW, the alaska drilling bill was signed a number of months ago.

[c312]

The current drilling stations in Alaska have become havens for wildlife. In fact, Caribou live have come to live very close to many of the facilities and their numbers have actually increased since the facilities were completed. So the whole wildlife stuff doesn't really add up to what all the environmental groups tell everybody, but nobody cares to look so everybody starts to think that it would kill everything in Alaska.

and yes, they have signed a bill but we could still do more in alaska.

[ninty]

oOo: oOo:

How about some sources?

[Madmartagen]

how about investing in alternative energy technology so that it doesnt shoot up another 10 degrees in the summertime. We shouldnt be looking for more oils spots but should be investing in the future.

[c312]

Originally Posted by ninty

oOo: oOo:

How about some sources?

[quote:fed49]In the 1970s people were concerned about the effect of the trans-Alaska oil pipeline, expanding oil development, and increased disturbance from use of aircraft and snowmobiles on caribou. Although there was some displacement of caribou calving in the Prudhoe Bay oilfield, in general, caribou have not been adversely affected by human activities in Alaska. Pipelines and most other developments are built to allow for caribou movements, and caribou have shown us that they can adapt to the presence of people and machines. As human activities expand in Alaska, the great challenge for caribou management is for man to consider the needs of our caribou herds and ensure that they remain a visible, healthy part of our landscape. -Alaska Dept. of Fish and Game[/quote:fed49]

there are more if you google "alaska caribou oil" and filter through the biased articles from environmental agencies

[ninty]

I'm pretty sure there are more species living in Alaska then just Caribou.

[c312]

find me something that proves that animals can't live like the caribou are in the same areas as oil facilities. find something credible that would prove more important than becoming less dependent on middle eastern oil.

[ninty]

Originally Posted by c312

find me something that proves that animals can't live like the caribou are in the same areas as oil facilities.

you were the one who said they could. therefore, back it up.

[quote:fe29e]find something credible that would prove more important than becoming less dependent on middle eastern oil.[/quote:fe29e]
I didn't say anything about proving its important to become less dependent on oil.

[Short Hand]

Originally Posted by c312

which is why our oil prices have been going up ever since the war started correct?

Your refining capacity is to low. THats why. You just don't drop it in your car...

+ excellent article Buttocks (as always).

[c312]

Originally Posted by ninty

you were the one who said they could. therefore, back it up.

[quote:8ef19]find something credible that would prove more important than becoming less dependent on middle eastern oil.

I didn't say anything about proving its important to become less dependent on oil.[/quote:8ef19]

well you seem to think that if wildlife is being indangered that it isn't worth lowering dependency on foreign oil (and ultimately making the middle east less of a global focus point) even though there isn't any substantial evidence of oil drilling having a negative effect on wildlife in alaska


one of the main things that bothers me about this whole issue is that CA gets to decide what they want to do but other states are held to different standards. it should be up to the states what they want to do.

[ninty]

Ohhh...you mean reduce dependance on foreign oil by finding your own in Alaska.

For some reason I thought you meant developing new technologies and green friendly energies. My mistake.

So your saying, it's either the middle east, or alaska?

How about neither.

How about I get philosophical and say (in best Calg Sagan impression) "we're visitors on this planet we call earth, it is not our to do what we wish, rather it is everyones. Every living creature. It is up to us to decide how we want to enter the new milennium, on the verge of destruction, or in the wake of freedom and prosperity."

Was that any good?

And I ahve no idea about individual state laws. Sorry, i'm just a guy from Canada.