Evolution vs Creationism - Page 2

KTOG · 08-05-2005, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Poseidon

I used to be a monkey? eek:

You were never monkey. You might be related to one though.

c312 · 08-05-2005, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KTOG

Who says DNA is random? Most likely people with no scientific background.

Random was the wrong word to use, what I meant was that it was put together without plans or intelligence.

KTOG · 08-05-2005, 04:45 PM

Its the same exact reason a stone acts like a stone. DNA is the material that makes up our compisition and appearance. A stone looks

Ah, thats why we use fruit flys instead of humans in much of testing. They have less genes; however many are in common with the human traits. Its not that we are so unique, but complex. Lets take a sperm for example, once fertilized it can begin to devolope. However, ift the sperm did not have the DNA then the embryo would not be able to to develop because the item that tells them what to do, does not exist. DNA is basically a brain that is imbeded in everything inside you. It holds data and reminds the body why and how it exists. If some one doesn't believe in DNA (most likely because its so small and complex), then they might as well throw out the idea that our brain is useless (or too complex to understand).

I could explain the whole development through more complex terms (aka electrons ...) but it would be fruitless.

c312 · 08-05-2005, 05:36 PM

And the fact that DNA knows from one single cell to make all sorts of different things is amazing. One cell is behind the creation of uncountable other cells and in turn, organs, hairs, etc.

Humans are intelligent. We have created a world where we can manufacture things, find people who want them and then send them. Cells can do this also, the manufacture chemicals, find areas of the body to send them to, and then tag them so the receiver knows what it is before it sends them to the actual destination. The difference between intelligent humans and a cell is that the cell can change what it makes almost instantly. No factories or manufacturing plants can change their product instantly but the cell can. In this way, the cell's abilities are superior to those of us intelligent humans. That's why I think that God was behind them, I find it strange to think they came to be that way by themselves. We can't do what they can do yet we have complex brains.

KTOG · 08-05-2005, 05:47 PM

Word. All can't be explained (yet) and thats why people turn to God or another supreme being. You have faith in God, I have faith in humans. Even though we don't have the answer i don't turn to a faith thats failed me, I turn towards one that is progressing.

There a many that are just improbable or even seemingly impossible. Our lives are run by probability (quantum mechanics) where the impossible are possible and its scary how often things happen daily that shouldn't.

Here is a question that i ponder all the time ... what if life could sprout out anywhere (space wise) if the conditions are right? Are we really something special?

ninty · 08-05-2005, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KTOG

what if life could sprout out anywhere (space wise) if the conditions are right? Are we really something special?

heh, thats an easy one for me to answer personally.

c312 · 08-05-2005, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KTOG

Word. All can't be explained (yet) and thats why people turn to God or another supreme being. You have faith in God, I have faith in humans. Even though we don't have the answer i don't turn to a faith thats failed me, I turn towards one that is progressing.

There a many that are just improbable or even seemingly impossible. Our lives are run by probability (quantum mechanics) where the impossible are possible and its scary how often things happen daily that shouldn't.

Here is a question that i ponder all the time ... what if life could sprout out anywhere (space wise) if the conditions are right? Are we really something special?

Good discussion, oddly enough for GF1 it was quite civilized.

KTOG · 08-05-2005, 06:18 PM

We try to keep the oOo: out of this section. Plus it has been a debate so far, not an argument nor a flame war.

Jin-Roh · 08-05-2005, 07:17 PM

I've been taught about evolution a lot in school. Luckily, most of my teachers have been non-religious. biggrin:

Coleman · 08-05-2005, 09:26 PM

I really don't give a shit as long as you represent both ideas in one form or another.

To be totally honest, I don't remember really learning about evolution/intelligent design. It's never really come up in my highschool biology class. For a college course, well that's another story.

1080jibber · 08-05-2005, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ninty

Evolution is a fact. Life on earth started out in the oceans. Water is essential in life. Microorganisms evolve into more complex structures > organisms begin to populate the land and eventually, after billions of years, you get us. And yes, it is billions. It is believed living organisms started out much earlier than previously thought. Perhaps only half a billion years after the creation of the earth. You are 3 billion years of evolution.

For evolution and how the earth began, I highly recommend a PBS program called "Origins".

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/origins/

Shows like Nova and Frontline are one of my favorite shows to watch.
I was watching one show about evolution and it when through each stage and how it died out and why, man did that open my eyes

c312 · 08-06-2005, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ninty

Evolution is a fact. Life on earth started out in the oceans. Water is essential in life. Microorganisms evolve into more complex structures > organisms begin to populate the land and eventually, after billions of years, you get us. And yes, it is billions. It is believed living organisms started out much earlier than previously thought. Perhaps only half a billion years after the creation of the earth. You are 3 billion years of evolution.

For evolution and how the earth began, I highly recommend a PBS program called "Origins".

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/origins/

Who has any right to make those claims?

KTOG · 08-06-2005, 12:18 AM

Scientists?

c312 · 08-06-2005, 12:20 AM

People act like it's a set in stone thing. Macroevolution is not a certainty, there are holes in the theories, missing links, irresponsibly represented facts and distortions.

KTOG · 08-06-2005, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by c312

People act like it's a set in stone thing. Macroevolution is not a certainty, there are holes in the theories, missing links, irresponsibly represented facts and distortions.

Same thing could be said about God, but as I always point out when arguing about religion there is one thing that will keep a person from believing another persons beliefs, Faith. Faith can't be argued by definition. You question faith? Then you don't have faith.