[Stammer]

Originally Posted by KTOG

Do it just like you do with sports, look at the stats. Spending, progress, pr, income, moral .... you don't need someone else to compare necessarily. I believe what stammer intended was trying to avoid "Well Clinton did it too..." arguements..

Yeah pretty much.

[Vance]

Originally Posted by Pyro

Im sure there have been worse...but he is definally among that set.

All i know is that I liked the 90s more than now.

I'm not going to even tell you how retarted you just sounded.

[ninty]

Found this commentary interesting:

Agree? Disagree?

[quote:74146]
Monday, September 19, 2005

Why people still support Bush.

I am bewildered by the magnitude and extremes of which Bush supporters will come up with in order to try and justify or excuse the most pathetic lack of leadership in America in the past generation. This of course has lead me to wonder why, as even a rat knows to leave a sinking ship.

After doing a little cursory research on this subject I have found some most interesting things. People who often feel strongly about an issue and back it so forcefully will tend to remain fixed to the issue regardless if the concept is found to be completely flawed. Reason being, that if people are to admit that a concept, issue, or subject that they so strongly supported were flawed then it would be an admission that they were wrong for supporting it. So why is it so hard for people to admit when they are wrong?

I have come to believe that our society encourages fluidity, herd mentality, politically correctness to the extreme that it is now seen as impolite to disagree with others. Psychologists call this a "comfort zone" bias based on research suggesting that breaking from the status quo is, for most people, emotionally uncomfortable. It requires increased responsibility and opening oneself up to criticism. The desire to conform to the beliefs and behaviors of others is recognized by psychologists as a fundamental human trait. It's reinforced by fear of regret—a disproportionate concern over being placed in a situation in which it is apparent to others that we have failed.

Another point is our attachment to emotional response as oppose to a rational one. An example might be on your TV any given night during a news broadcast where the commentator asks the guest, “How do you FEEL” instead of “What do you THINK”. The first time I realized I had heard this was the day after September 11th when on CNN, Paula Zahn asked a guest, “How bad do you feel about this”, and needless to say I wanted to hurl at such a stupid question. One of the critical elements in our past educational system was that of logic and rational argument, which seems to escape more and more people each day. I am reminded of a scene from Gone with the Wind; where during a party the men and women divide and go about their own discussions. The men are standing around with glasses of Brandy and Cigars discussing the up and coming Civil War and its potential consequences and then I remember the saying, “It’s not polite to discuss, religion, race, or politics.” I can’t help but think I might know how Galileo felt when he was imprisoned for claiming that the earth revolved around the sun.

However I will admit that all the blame should not fall upon the shoulders of one man, as no man could bear such a burden. The whole of the Bush administration should be treated as a single entity as though all the individuals were just mere parts of a greater animal. This beastly animal was not the product of evolution, but a creation of a hideous monster from some genetics lab that was seeking the perfect killing machine. A creature programmed not to feel compassion, admit fault, or to allow rational argument to stand in the way of its goal of global hegemony. This neoconservative version of a modern day Frankenstein has but a single purpose and that is the institution of a Platonist oligarchy with no less than global aspirations.

Neo-conservatism is eroding the foundations of the Republican Party with its Liberal Trotskyite belief system, and if it is not stopped soon, it will burst the party like the levees of New Orleans. I half believe the biggest reason for lack of opposition from the Democratic Party is that they don’t know how to attack a system in which they too embrace, and does in fact share many of the same expansionist policies. The only real opposition to this parasitic infestation is coming from conservative Republicans, conservative Democrats, and Libertarians, and currently this falls far short of voices needed to drown out the joyous cries of Dr. Frankenstein’s “It’s Alive”.

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http://flippedoutdotcom.blogspot.com/

[Merlin122]

his cabinet is pretty terrible. He was a lot better than kerry could have been. Hopefully after he leaves office, we'll be long out of iraq and on our way to economic recovery... unless they keep the two party system together, then we're in for a hell of a ride

[1080jibber]

Originally Posted by Merlin122

his cabinet is pretty terrible. He was a lot better than kerry could have been. Hopefully after he leaves office, we'll be long out of iraq and on our way to economic recovery... unless they keep the two party system together, then we're in for a hell of a ride

Iraq is forever the US problem. The US will allways be there and you will have the same problems over there if not more in the future.

[Merlin122]

Originally Posted by 1080jibber

Iraq is forever the US problem. The US will allways be there and you will have the same problems over there if not more in the future.

there will be a solution or else there will be a revolt. we certainly won't still be there in the next ten years. And you know as well as i do that the american people wouldn't like it. Drastic action would be taken if things broke down politically.

[1080jibber]

Originally Posted by Merlin122

there will be a solution or else there will be a revolt. we certainly won't still be there in the next ten years. And you know as well as i do that the american people wouldn't like it. Drastic action would be taken if things broke down politically.

You cant stop a belief

[Merlin122]

Originally Posted by 1080jibber

You cant stop a belief

we didn't start the fire

[1080jibber]

You did in Iraq

[TGB!]

[quote:a1e5f]Do it just like you do with sports, look at the stats. Spending, progress, pr, income, moral .... you don't need someone else to compare necessarily. I believe what stammer intended was trying to avoid "Well Clinton did it too..." arguements. [/quote:a1e5f]

Compared to WHAT though. As COLONEL said - worst suggests plurality. The statement is flawed.

As for "The worst" - 5 years into his presidency and we havent slid into the Neo-Con Facist Big Brother State that was "predicted". Weve lost American lives (not a single President hasnt) and we've been hit with some nasty roadbumps - but to think this is the "worst". . .I tell you what - as much acrimony as exists in this country - at least we arent at a Civil War. I think THAT is one of the worst periods in American History.

[quote:a1e5f]we'll be long out of iraq[/quote:a1e5f]

Not going to happen.

[quote:a1e5f]and on our way to economic recovery...[/quote:a1e5f]

Uhh - what does it need to recover from exactly?

[quote:a1e5f]You cant stop a belief[/quote:a1e5f]

This is. . .hands down the weakest most cliched response I see pasted on websites everywhere - usally trotted out by folks who want to sound "profound" or nuanced. These religious fanatics can claim religious justification all they want - its still a BS excuse so they can justify the shit they live in (Fun Fact though - the majority of those involved in the 9/11 Bombings were well educated well off Arabs. . .but I'm sure they "empathized" with the poverty and destitution of their Arab Brothers).

Oh if only the Morally Righteous had as much indignation for these Arab Religious Fundies as they do for the White Fundies in the states - we might actually get something done.

[Short Hand]

[quote="TGB!":ff73b][quote:ff73b]Do it just like you do with sports, look at the stats. Spending, progress, pr, income, moral .... you don't need someone else to compare necessarily. I believe what stammer intended was trying to avoid "Well Clinton did it too..." arguements. [/quote:ff73b]

Compared to WHAT though. As COLONEL said - worst suggests plurality. The statement is flawed.

As for "The worst" - 5 years into his presidency and we havent slid into the Neo-Con Facist Big Brother State that was "predicted". Weve lost American lives (not a single President hasnt) and we've been hit with some nasty roadbumps - but to think this is the "worst". . .I tell you what - as much acrimony as exists in this country - at least we arent at a Civil War. I think THAT is one of the worst periods in American History.

[quote:ff73b]we'll be long out of iraq[/quote:ff73b]


[quote:ff73b]and on our way to economic recovery...[/quote:ff73b]

Uhh - what does it need to recover from exactly?

[quote:ff73b]You cant stop a belief[/quote:ff73b]

This is. . .hands down the weakest most cliched response I see pasted on websites everywhere - usally trotted out by folks who want to sound "profound" or nuanced. These religious fanatics can claim religious justification all they want - its still a BS excuse so they can justify the shit they live in (Fun Fact though - the majority of those involved in the 9/11 Bombings were well educated well off Arabs. . .but I'm sure they "empathized" with the poverty and destitution of their Arab Brothers).

Oh if only the Morally Righteous had as much indignation for these Arab Religious Fundies as they do for the White Fundies in the states - we might actually get something done.[/quote:ff73b]

You fit his profile perfectly TGB.....

+

Lincoln = Republican.

Not going to happen.

[Arkan]

These are trying times for any President. I think he's doing better than what others think or believe.

[1080jibber]

[quote="TGB!":b785f][quote:b785f]You cant stop a belief[/quote:b785f]

This is. . .hands down the weakest most cliched response I see pasted on websites everywhere - usally trotted out by folks who want to sound "profound" or nuanced. These religious fanatics can claim religious justification all they want - its still a BS excuse so they can justify the shit they live in (Fun Fact though - the majority of those involved in the 9/11 Bombings were well educated well off Arabs. . .but I'm sure they "empathized" with the poverty and destitution of their Arab Brothers).

Oh if only the Morally Righteous had as much indignation for these Arab Religious Fundies as they do for the White Fundies in the states - we might actually get something done.[/quote:b785f] I can never take any of your post seriously. Why you ask? Because you always have to attack the person you are talking to. I know exactly how you post every time and every post is the same garbage over and over again…. ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK.
Instead of attacking the person to get your point across why don’t you just leave that part out and MAYBE people will take you seriously, maybe.

Now come back and post that i'm stupid ect….ect…ect…and bring more of your intellectual babblings about how you know more than everybody and that if they don’t see things your way then we are all stupid and retarded.

I’m not trying to be a bad guy here; i’m just getting tired of seeing you always attack people to seeing things your way. Please educate me if i’m wrong about anything that I post but don’t attack me for it. I don’t remember my professors in college attacking me for getting the wrong answer.