[KTOG]

Originally Posted by ninty

Please enlighten me as to the positive outcomes for the future of the middle east.

To quote Fox News ... "Woman in Saudi Arabia MIGHT be able to legally drive" happy:

[mR.cLeAn]

The reason was not because Saddam killed well over 150 people, mostly woman and children but because several Middle-Easter countries seem to harbor Terrorist that attacked the US well before BUSH wash in office. The layer of the cake was added with the whole 9/11 … but apparently it doesn’t matter.

[Jimmy Paterson]

you know whats interesting, there were more deaths on US roads last year, then in the entire war in Iraq

[Stammer]

[quote="Jimmy Paterson":775d7]you know whats interesting, there were more deaths on US roads last year, then in the entire war in Iraq[/quote:775d7]

Are you saying that 2,000 dead isn't a big deal? Are your seriously trying to make it seem like 2,000 dead US soldiers isn't a big deal?

[TGB!]

[quote=Stammer]

Originally Posted by "Jimmy Paterson":58db6

you know whats interesting, there were more deaths on US roads last year, then in the entire war in Iraq

Are you saying that 2,000 dead isn't a big deal? Are your seriously trying to make it seem like 2,000 dead US soldiers isn't a big deal?

Your a fucking idiot.[/quote:58db6]

And you're overemotionalizing the situation, appealing to emotional rhetoric instead of logic to push your case. 1600 SOLDIERS (those guys who enlist in the military with the assumption that at anytime they can be called into combat - yanno THOSE guys) have died over nearly THREE YEARS, the majority of which comes from suicide/roadside bombs. Now, the media would absolutely LOVE you to think this is indicitive of a faulty war-plan. It doesnt take much for indeginous people to get close enough and detonate themselves. No amount of training can give someone ESP.

But by all means - cling to this number as sweet justification of your "rightness".

And NINTY - you can HONESTLY ask what good a changed Middle East will bring. Please - go ask RAWA or the women newscasters in Afghanistan what opportunities a middle-east free of theological tyranny can bring about. Women are back on the tubes, and are at MINIMUM represented in congress by 1 to 4. Yea - no progress there. Empty rhetoric that. Returning the middle east back into the hands of the people is something that will benefit the entire world - but most especially arabs themselves.

Please son dont confuse your inability to "get it" with a perceived ignorance on the part of your betters.

[ninty]

And in the process destabilizing the entire region and killing thousands upon thousands of civilians. Sounds like an even trade to me.

[TGB!]

And again it seems the only people assigning a point-value to the dead. . .are anti-Bushites. Its amazing how that works. . .

Thank goodness none of you were around during WW2 or the Revolutionary War. We'd have never fought either of them.

[ninty]

Yeah, because those who are pro bush pro war like to ignore the amount of people being killed and say it's for the betterment of the region.

And FYI, i'm currently serving my country and have been for the past 3 years.

[TGB!]

Ignore - no no dear boy. We know how many people have died, the media cant help but slap it up there everytime the numbers shift by 10 dead or so to justify their bitter need for "revenge" against the Bush Admin. We just dont use it to try and argue one way or another for a cause. Your argument is full of holes. At its most basic you presume to think that the number of dead in a conflict validates/invalidates the conflict itself. By your reasoning, WW2, Revolutionary War, Civil War, Civil Rights Movement, etc. etc. were all pointless wars/conflicts that shouldnt have been fought since the number of dead FAR EXCEDDED what we have in IRAQ.

Takes a man to admit when theyre wrong. Accordingly, i dont expect any such concession from you.

[ninty]

1) I haven't compared the war in Iraq to any other war.

2) There are many more arguments as to why the war is wrong and or illegal which I have stated numerous times.

3) Have a nice day. beer:

[mR.cLeAn]

Originally Posted by ninty

And in the process destabilizing the entire region and killing thousands upon thousands of civilians. Sounds like an even trade to me.

Oh I though that was allready going on before Bush joined in the fun.