Iran "does not need nuclear arms" - Page 2

c312 · 01-15-2006, 06:10 PM

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When a country disarms, how does that not make the world a better and safer place?

because it makes an easier target

elstatec · 01-15-2006, 06:22 PM

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you are so naive. You think if the US disarms that the whole world will be a better place. Yeah right, maybe in a perfect world, but you forget to remember that there are bad people who do bad things, stop making everything out to be a world with rainbows and fairies and unicorns, that's not how it is.

sorry i forgot who made the US the world police force, ermm no one but when the US is threating taking Iran to the UN to face sanctions that will harm the population, over nuclear research let alone nuclear bombs when the US its accuser is the one criminal of using such a weapon twice on innocent citizens and has such an arsenal of nuclear weapons, well now thats naive.

Oh and if you want to talk about bad people doing bad things, how about invading a country for a lie.

Machette · 01-15-2006, 07:11 PM

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Look at the history of nuclear detterence. Did a nuclear war ever occur between Soviet Russia and the U.S, no. Now ask yourself why, because if they started a nuclear war we'd all be dead. It's the exact same situation with Iran going up against Israel. Plus Israel has way more nukes than any other middle eastern country. It may take Iran years to build a bomb and if they do it's for a national identity image. "Yeah we have a bomb don't screw with us" which was the image Soviet Russia and America carried in the Cold War. Look up Mutually Assured Destruction, Nuclear Detterence and look at the key missile conflicts in those years...Then apply it to this situation. Even if they are muslims, give them the benefit of the doubt and don't yell and scream they want a bomb when Israel has more than any other middle east nation..that is more important than anything in this whole debate, the side you are arguing for has more firepower than eveyone else.

So you think heading to a situation where two entities are threatening each other with nuclear weapons is a better situation? That is retarded. Israel has nukes, yeah sure, but they are also much more stable of a country.

You all are taking this too lightly, even the Security Council is saying that this is very, very serious and you know if they say that, it must be.

Did I say that? I was giving an example of what might happen using history. I didn't say anything about it being better.

And putting sanctions on Iran will cause harm on Germany and Italy's economy because they do big business with Iran. Plus Iran puts out heavy amounts of Oil. If I were the Iranian president I would be laughing at the security council. And if anyone invades them they have a standing army ready plus a majority of the population is anti-western, and I would not be suprised if a insurgency worse than Iraq occurs in Iran. If I was a country in the U.N security council I'd let Iran do what they want to do.

And yes, I agree with Einstein saying that the bomb was a horrible creation but we have to deal with it.

Nyck · 01-15-2006, 07:46 PM

I love when people from canada and england argue over US Politics.

elstatec · 01-15-2006, 07:57 PM

actually its world politics stfu.

Nyck · 01-15-2006, 08:04 PM

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actually its world politics stfu.

Yea Okay Im sure the world would be a much better place with IRAN in fucking charge of things. sleeping:

Jin-Roh · 01-15-2006, 08:06 PM

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actually its world politics stfu.

Yea Okay Im sure the world would be a much better place with IRAN in fucking charge of things. sleeping:

change my diapers...

Coleman · 01-15-2006, 08:08 PM

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elstatec · 01-15-2006, 08:14 PM

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actually its world politics stfu.

Yea Okay Im sure the world would be a much better place with IRAN in fucking charge of things. sleeping:

well america seems to be doing a good ole job in Iraq doesnt it? sleeping:
Anyway this is deviating off too much so go back too offtopic and post some videos.

Anyway back ontopic

[quote:d1987]Iran has warned the West against going to the council, saying any sanctions against the world's fourth biggest oil exporter could lead to a rise in the price of oil.

In other words, says the BBC's world affairs correspondent Jonathan Charles, "don't hurt us, or we'll hurt you".

Iran's representative to the oil-producing cartel Opec on Sunday called for it to reduce output - a move likely to put more pressure on prices. [/quote:d1987]

Bush will be mad!

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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ ... 5BEBFB.htm

Great bombing a country to deter it from as to say defending itself even if they are not making goddamn nuclear weapons, dejavue?

c312 · 01-15-2006, 08:20 PM

elstatec, you are trying to say the US has no authority because they are the only people who have used the bomb? You are stupid. America has an important role in global politics whether you want it to or not, that is the territory that comes with being the most powerful country in the world. This is true whether you want it to or not. The UN is a joke, I hope it can prove itself of some sort of worth by keeping things straight for once in this upcoming situation.

I hate when people are so idealistic that they can't see reality.

Machette · 01-15-2006, 08:20 PM

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I love when people from canada and england argue over US Politics.

That is the funniest and stupidest comment I've ever read. Guess you don't believe in public opinion? No wonder U.S doesn't use to much diplomacy anymore because people in the white house with this kind of logic take it seriously. oOo: sleeping: stupid:

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The UN is a joke.

Agreed.

Coleman · 01-15-2006, 08:23 PM

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Guess you don't believe in public opinion? No wonder U.S doesn't use to much diplomacy anymore because people in the white house with this kind of logic take it seriously. oOo: sleeping: stupid:

stfu already

elstatec · 01-15-2006, 08:31 PM

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elstatec, you are trying to say the US has no authority because they are the only people who have used the bomb? You are stupid. America has an important role in global politics whether you want it to or not, that is the territory that comes with being the most powerful country in the world. This is true whether you want it to or not. The UN is a joke, I hope it can prove itself of some sort of worth by keeping things straight for once in this upcoming situation.

I hate when people are so idealistic that they can't see reality.

Not at all no authority but USA is not an angel, and the 'global role' doesnt mean they have a 'global right' to do what they want, even if you want to see it this way. The UN works, heck Iraq would of been in a better way if USA didnt bypass the UN making it seem 'a joke' when the joke was on the actual lack of WMDs.

I hate when people are so ignorant that they can't see reality.

You are stupid.

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ninty · 01-15-2006, 08:45 PM

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actually its world politics stfu.

Yea Okay Im sure the world would be a much better place with IRAN in fucking charge of things. sleeping:

well america seems to be doing a good ole job in Iraq doesnt it? sleeping:
Anyway this is deviating off too much so go back too offtopic and post some videos.

Anyway back ontopic

[quote:7a18a]Iran has warned the West against going to the council, saying any sanctions against the world's fourth biggest oil exporter could lead to a rise in the price of oil.

In other words, says the BBC's world affairs correspondent Jonathan Charles, "don't hurt us, or we'll hurt you".

Iran's representative to the oil-producing cartel Opec on Sunday called for it to reduce output - a move likely to put more pressure on prices.

Bush will be mad!

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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ ... 5BEBFB.htm

Great bombing a country to deter it from as to say defending itself even if they are not making goddamn nuclear weapons, dejavue?[/quote:7a18a]

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=31761

Machette · 01-15-2006, 08:52 PM

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Guess you don't believe in public opinion? No wonder U.S doesn't use to much diplomacy anymore because people in the white house with this kind of logic take it seriously. oOo: sleeping: stupid:

stfu already

Come on coleman... happy: biggrin: spank: