[elstatec]

he seems to be a huge motivational issue behind this war on terror, so if he was dead, or is captured i wouldnt be surprised if it would be covered up so the capitalist war on terror can continue.

[c312]

Originally Posted by elstatec

he seems to be a huge motivational issue behind this war on terror, so if he was dead, or is captured i wouldnt be surprised if it would be covered up so the capitalist war on terror can continue.

lolzor

[elstatec]

bin laden is the crust, terrorism is the mantle, but $ profit is the core.

[Pyro]

Originally Posted by Coleman

I didn't mean the "sweet" with any sarcasm. I'm actually happy that devil is dead.

Hoepfully the man behind the Iraq war will share the same fate soon.

[Madmartagen]

true, if bin laden is dead, then the poster boy for war on terror is gone. i wouldnt be surprised if the govt or some part of the govt is holding our troops in Afghan and Pakistan from finding him.

[Trunks]

Originally Posted by Stammer

Does it really matter if he was dead or alive? All killing him now would be is a morale boost for Americans, it's not like it really matters anymore.

I don't know, it just doesn't seem important anymore.

well said.

[c312]

Originally Posted by elstatec

bin laden is the crust, terrorism is the mantle, but $ profit is the core.

because George Bush piloted the airplanes into the WTC and is currently lining his pocket with profits from killing terrorists....

[Machette]

Wouldn't all the insurgents be claiming him as a martyr on their web sites if he was dead? And making suicide attacks in his name? I know insurgents like pulling off speeches before they blow themselves up and I'm sure they would be doing it for Osama and they would say that...if he was dead. My opinion...but I do think he is still alive.

[Eight Ace]

Originally Posted by elstatec

he seems to be a huge motivational issue behind this war on terror, so if he was dead, or is captured i wouldnt be surprised if it would be covered up so the capitalist war on terror can continue.

of course if he were dead, al qaeda themselves could be keeping that information quiet for the same motivational reasons, but your head is so far up your arse you couldn't see something like that being done by anyone other than Americans.

[ninty]

Here's what's on the tape if anyone's interested:

[quote:d0496]My message to you is about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and how to end them. I did not intend to speak to you about this because this issue has already been decided. Only metal breaks metal, and our situation, thank God, is only getting better and better, while your situation is the opposite of that.

But I plan to speak about the repeated errors your President Bush has committed in comments on the results of your polls that show an overwhelming majority of you want the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq. But he (Bush) has opposed this wish and said that withdrawing troops sends the wrong message to opponents, that it is better to fight them (bin Laden's followers) on their land than their fighting us (Americans) on our land.

I can reply to these errors by saying that war in Iraq is raging with no let-up, and operations in Afghanistan are escalating in our favor, thank God, and Pentagon figures show the number of your dead and wounded is increasing not to mention the massive material losses, the destruction of the soldiers' morale there and the rise in cases of suicide among them. So you can imagine the state of psychological breakdown that afflicts a soldier as he gathers the remains of his colleagues after they stepped on land mines that tore them apart. After this situation the soldier is caught between two hard options. He either refuses to leave his military camp on patrols and is therefore dogged by ruthless punishments enacted by the Vietnam Butcher (U.S. army) or he gets destroyed by the mines. This puts him under psychological pressure, fear and humiliation while his nation is ignorant of that (what is going on). The soldier has no solution except to commit suicide. That is a strong message to you, written by his soul, blood and pain, to save what can be saved from this hell. The solution is in your hands if you care about them (the soldiers).

The news of our brother mujahideen (holy warriors) is different from what the Pentagon publishes. They (the news of mujahideen) and what the media report is the truth of what is happening on the ground. And what deepens the doubt over the White House's information is the fact that it targets the media reporting the truth from the ground. And it has appeared lately, supported by documents, that the butcher of freedom in the world (Bush) had decided to bomb the headquarters of the Al-Jazeera in Qatar after bombing its offices in Kabul and Baghdad.

On another issue, jihad (holy war) is ongoing, thank God, despite all the oppressive measures adopted by the U.S Army and its agents (which is) to a point where there is no difference between this criminality and Saddam's criminality, as it has reached the degree of raping women and taking them as hostages instead of their husbands.

As for torturing men, they have used burning chemical acids and drills on their joints. And when they give up on (interrogating) them, they sometimes use the drills on their heads until they die. Read, if you will, the reports of the horrors in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo prisons.

And I say that, despite all the barbaric methods, they have not broken the fierceness of the resistance. The mujahideen, thank God, are increasing in number and strength - so much so that reports point to the ultimate failure and defeat of the unlucky quartet of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Declaring this defeat is just a matter of time, depending partly on how much the American people know of the size of this tragedy. The sensible people realize that Bush does not have a plan to make his alleged victory in Iraq come true.

And if you compare the small number of dead on the day that Bush announced the end of major operations in that fake, ridiculous show aboard the aircraft carrier with the tenfold number of dead and wounded who were killed in the smaller operations, you would know the truth of what I say. This is that Bush and his administration do not have the will or the ability to get out of Iraq for their own private, suspect reasons.

And so to return to the issue, I say that results of polls please those who are sensible, and Bush's opposition to them is a mistake. The reality shows that the war against America and its allies has not been limited to Iraq as he (Bush) claims. Iraq has become a point of attraction and restorer of (our) energies. At the same time, the mujahideen (holy warriors), with God's grace, have managed repeatedly to penetrate all security measures adopted by the unjust allied countries. The proof of that is the explosions you have seen in the capitals of the European nations who are in this aggressive coalition. The delay in similar operations happening in America has not been because of failure to break through your security measures. The operations are under preparation and you will see them in your homes the minute they are through (with preparations), with God's permission.

Based on what has been said, this shows the errors of Bush's statement - the one that slipped from him - which is at the heart of polls calling for withdrawing the troops. It is better that we (Americans) don't fight Muslims on their lands and that they don't fight us on ours.

We don't mind offering you a long-term truce on fair conditions that we adhere to. We are a nation that God has forbidden to lie and cheat. So both sides can enjoy security and stability under this truce so we can build Iraq and Afghanistan, which have been destroyed in this war. There is no shame in this solution, which prevents the wasting of billions of dollars that have gone to those with influence and merchants of war in America who have supported Bush's election campaign with billions of dollars - which lets us understand the insistence by Bush and his gang to carry on with war.

If you (Americans) are sincere in your desire for peace and security, we have answered you. And if Bush decides to carry on with his lies and oppression, then it would be useful for you to read the book "Rogue State," which states in its introduction: "If I were president, I would stop the attacks on the United States: First I would give an apology to all the widows and orphans and those who were tortured. Then I would announce that American interference in the nations of the world has ended once and for all."

Finally, I say that war will go either in our favor or yours. If it is the former, it means your loss and your shame forever, and it is headed in this course. If it is the latter, read history! We are people who do not stand for injustice and we will seek revenge all our lives. The nights and days will not pass without us taking vengeance like on Sept. 11, God permitting. Your minds will be troubled and your lives embittered. As for us, we have nothing to lose. A swimmer in the ocean does not fear the rain. You have occupied our lands, offended our honor and dignity and let out our blood and stolen our money and destroyed our houses and played with our security and we will give you the same treatment.

You have tried to prevent us from leading a dignified life, but you will not be able to prevent us from a dignified death. Failing to carry out jihad, which is called for in our religion, is a sin. The best death to us is under the shadows of swords. Don't let your strength and modern arms fool you. They win a few battles but lose the war. Patience and steadfastness are much better. We were patient in fighting the Soviet Union with simple weapons for 10 years and we bled their economy and now they are nothing.

In that there is a lesson for you. [/quote:d0496]

[ninty]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?secti ... id=3828678

[c312]

Terrorists defeated the Soviet Union!!?!?! egad!

[elstatec]

[quote="Eight Ace":8aa3e]

Originally Posted by elstatec

he seems to be a huge motivational issue behind this war on terror, so if he was dead, or is captured i wouldnt be surprised if it would be covered up so the capitalist war on terror can continue.

of course if he were dead, al qaeda themselves could be keeping that information quiet for the same motivational reasons, but your head is so far up your arse you couldn't see something like that being done by anyone other than Americans.[/quote:8aa3e]


wouldnt think so at all, they would immortalize him as a martyr as Al Queda is more than one person, but anyway your head is so far up your own arse that you fail to see more than just what the western news channels say.

[c312]

he may fail to see other things than what the news says, but that's only because there is no reason not to beleive them.

You act like it's worse to beleive the media is telling the truth than it is to beleive it is always lying without a reason to think so.

does anyone else feel like some people here think they are above the rest of us here because they found some shit on the internet that says the opposite of what the mainstream media says? I certainly feel that way.


stupid: stupid: stupid: stupid: stupid:

[Ferich]

Originally Posted by c312

does anyone else feel like some people here think they are above the rest of us here because they found some shit on the internet that says the opposite of what the mainstream media says? I certainly feel that way.

Have you thought of a solution to this problem? Obviously people can't be banned for having an elitist attitude or disagreeing with you.

If the other mods and zoner are interested maybe we can have a thread to discuss specific rules for this forum. For now pm a mod if you have a suggestion or a complaint about someone breaking one of the GF1.com rules.

http://www.groundforce1.com/forums/view ... ?t=1002741