[c312]

America only defies it because it won't enforce anything.

[ninty]

So would anyone here support a UN army? Or how about a UN world economic system, or UN political system?

[c312]

no. Maybe an army under certain circumstances.

[ninty]

so how can it enforce anything?

Here's the kicker. If you want the UN to enforce things, you must give it power. This results in your own country losing power. Do people want to give up Sovereignty to the UN?

If the UN is to have an actual army, then they would need a governing body to make decisions. The only real way to do this is with a one world government, which i'm not too fond of.

[c312]

yeah, or they could try to motivate the members to actually carry out what they all vote on if it is violated.

I think they could get a security council coalition to enforce things that they feel need enforced.

[Machette]

The U.N serves as a platform for helping lay a groundbase for diplomacy on tackling key issues. It has failed in the past and will continue to unless things are changed.

[elstatec]

Originally Posted by ninty

On Iran... it's difficult to know what to think. Regardless of whether they want to produce nuclear weapons, and regardless of what the UN says, the US will do what it wants. And if they want to attack Iran, they will.

And if they will, there will be another lack of WMDs, more hatred from the middle east, a probable draft and well another laughing stock of a mess.

[Machette]

Guessing that their will be a war before summer.

[Coleman]

I still can't fathom what people are still debating about. Iran had nuclear weapons in the back of their head...plain and simple. Elstatec is now gonna say "they're trying to develop a nuclear facility that looks like a nuclear warhead. It's their culture to have that kind of architecture."

[elstatec]

Originally Posted by Coleman

Iran had nuclear weapons in the back of their head...plain and simple. Elstatec is now gonna say "they're trying to develop a nuclear facility that looks like a nuclear warhead. It's their culture to have that kind of architecture."

wtf? how is it their culture? how in hell are nuclear weapons in the back of irans head? its "plain and simple" that you have an ignorant view on this as there is no evidence let alone logic in what you just said.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by elstatec

wtf? how is it their culture? how in hell are nuclear weapons in the back of irans head? its "plain and simple" that you have an ignorant view on this as there is no evidence let alone logic in what you just said.

i was using that as a bogus statement

[Nyck]

Originally Posted by elstatec

how in hell are nuclear weapons in the back of irans head?

the inspectors did find documents at their nuclear facility that showed how to implement it into a war head. The ones they allegedly "got" even though they didnt ask for it.

[Machette]

What about the Russians plan? (I remember reading somewhere that the U.S even agreed it was a decent plan) They were going to take the uranium and then enrich it themselves(in Russia), then give it back to the Iranians so they could use it for nuclear power..Why didn't the the superpowers allow them to do that? But then the EU and US talked Russia and China into joining them into referring Iran to the security council in March...

[Nyck]

Originally Posted by Machette

What about the Russians plan? (I remember reading somewhere that the U.S even agreed it was a decent plan) They were going to take the uranium and then enrich it themselves(in Russia), then give it back to the Iranians so they could use it for nuclear power..Why didn't the the superpowers allow them to do that? But then the EU and US talked Russia and China into joining them into referring Iran to the security council in March...

Iran rejected it
"the offer would deny his nation's right to "be in charge of its own fate" on energy matters."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/01/iran.nuclear/

[Machette]

Well they want to build a bomb, something I argued for I remember.