[elstatec]

Originally Posted by Johnj

Dude could you at least try to stay close to the subject.

stfu it is on subject, in the religion of Jedi, Obi Wan Kenobi is a god.


plzdie:

[Machette]

Well the cartoons do depict muslims as violent people, I would be pissed as well.

[Eight Ace]

Originally Posted by Machette

Well the cartoons do depict muslims as violent people, I would be pissed as well.

i'm sure threatening the world with a tide of violence because of some cartoons is the best way to stop anyone thinking along those lines. oOo:

[Madmartagen]

[quote="Eight Ace":315d8]

Originally Posted by Machette

Well the cartoons do depict muslims as violent people, I would be pissed as well.

i'm sure threatening the world with a tide of violence because of some cartoons is the best way to stop anyone thinking along those lines. oOo:[/quote:315d8]

[Stammer]

[quote=Madmartagen]

Originally Posted by "Eight Ace":09a50

i'm sure threatening the world with a tide of violence because of some cartoons is the best way to stop anyone thinking along those lines. oOo:

[/quote:09a50]

[Machette]

Many muslims believe what the koran says, so initially they are obviously going to be pissed. If it said in the bible never draw pictures of jesus..and someone did, their would be a small group of fanatics willing to go to ultimate measures to be sure to eradicate those cartoons/drawings. The cartoonists in this case picked the wrong message to cover as a satire cartoon. Muslims get enough bad news arleady, a cartoon depicting their leader wearing a bomb in his turban isn't going to make the relationship any better. To many people see muslims the wrong way.

[Eight Ace]

Originally Posted by Machette

The cartoonists in this case picked the wrong message to cover as a satire cartoon.

what other subjects do you consider "wrong" or taboo when it comes satire or cartoon subjects/messages?

[Machette]

Listen I'm not against free speech in any way...religion is a very serious subject for people. Muslims take Islam very serious, we can all see that, it's just that presently in the past few years Muslims have gotten bad publicitiy..they always have for a matter of fact. I'd like to see articles run about Israel's secret prisions in which thousands of arabs are beaten regularly everday...articles about their illegal settlements in arab land. Why don't we see bad press about Jewish actions? Because the first world doesn't want you to know this things...they would rather you see the actions by muslims since we see them as bad and uncivilized people. I have sympathy for Muslims, I don't support their practices. But like I said papers should never have bothered running this material. It's caused a stir in the muslim world and more papers running it in the name of freedom of speech won't make matters worse.

[Eight Ace]

Originally Posted by Machette

I'd like to see articles run about Israel's secret prisions in which thousands of arabs are beaten regularly everday...articles about their illegal settlements in arab land. Why don't we see bad press about Jewish actions?

so that's your answer to the muslim overreaction to some european newspapers...blame the Jews, how original and how telling.

Are you seriously telling me middle eastern and other islamic press are not writing/covering anti-western/Jewish stories non-stop?, complete with cartoons.
How are you aware of such things, are your accounts first hand or from the free media.

to sum it up, everyone opresses everyone else.

[Machette]

[quote="Eight Ace":b8a84]

Originally Posted by Machette

I'd like to see articles run about Israel's secret prisions in which thousands of arabs are beaten regularly everday...articles about their illegal settlements in arab land. Why don't we see bad press about Jewish actions?

so that's your answer to the muslim overreaction to some european newspapers...blame the Jews, how original and how telling.

Are you seriously telling me middle eastern and other islamic press are not writing/covering anti-western/Jewish stories non-stop?, complete with cartoons.
How are you aware of such things, are your accounts first hand or from the free media.[/quote:b8a84]

Am I blaming the jews? You are putting words in my mouth Eight Ace...not one sentence in my post did I proclaim the jews are to blame. I merely used the jews as a example of how the media reports and how it doesnt cover certain things. And I don't think I have to give statistics because its blantly obvious. And Al jazeera which is considered pro arab by many it is also considered anti arab because they have zionists commentators write articles and appear on t.v..

And to sum up what someone said on another board..(I'm bringing up jews and no I'm not blaming them) [quote:b8a84]As I've said before, the outrage some muslims feel about these cartoons can be compared to western outrage to holocaust jokes/cartoons.[/quote:b8a84]

[quote="Eight Ace":b8a84]How are you aware of such things, are your accounts first hand or from the free media.[/quote:b8a84]

I find out about these things in books, and by reading the footnotes of their sources they get them from first hand accounts or they actually went to Israel to find these things out on their own. They also get them from church reports, which are usually christian.

[c312]

Who cares, the point is, the Muslims are getting angry over something they shouldn't be so angry about. I know it's sacred to them, but they need to learn that they aren't better than everyone else. Everyone's religion gets made fun of, Christians and Jews have been made fun of for thousands of years, get a grip Muslims.

Originally Posted by c312

Who cares, the point is, the Muslims are getting angry over something they shouldn't be so angry about. I know it's sacred to them, but they need to learn that they aren't better than everyone else. Everyone's religion gets made fun of, Christians and Jews have been made fun of for thousands of years, get a grip Muslims.

yes lets all march into Mecca and tell them that it was only a joke and they should chillax.

[Eight Ace]

Am I blaming the jews? You are putting words in my mouth Eight Ace...not one sentence in my post did I proclaim the jews are to blame.

agreed, but I asked you what subjects you considered as "wrong", like printing these Mohammed pics, and the first thing you jumped on was 'if its ok to print that then lets hear about "Jewish actions", and i'm suggesting to you that islamic media is all over "Jewish actions" ...real or imagined, like flies on shit.

I merely used the jews as a example of how the media reports and how it doesnt cover certain things.

"the media reports" ...not sure if you mean only western media or all media,
EDIT: oh, ok so you get your information from books, books are part of the free press last time i looked.
why you even have access to such books under GWB is beyond me.. rolleyes:

And to sum up what someone said on another board..(I'm bringing up jews again so don't throw a hissy fit eight ace)

well it's annoying that even this issue causes jews to be mentioned, have you shown that all these editors/journalists/cartoonists are jewish?,
I have no connection with Jews or Israel and anything I say about them is based on my understanding and my own idea of fairness,
just like I also believe the majority of muslims just want a peaceful life with private worship.

[Machette]

I don't live in america, plus the book was printed under california university press...which is indepedently owned...not corporate sponsored.