New american budget: more money for defense - Page 2

tomxtr · 02-06-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ninty

So let's all go to war!

Now you're talking! Go dig up some more terrorist rhetoric.

Jin-Roh · **Re: New american budget: more money for defense -** 02-06-2006, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Machette

Americans have not grabbled the idea of the military industrial complex, and its really unfortunate.

I've tried introducing it in some of my classes. They just don't care or just don't understand and never will. annoy:

Poseidon · 02-07-2006, 05:26 AM

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[quote:6c7c9]cutting important programs such as education, health etc.[/quote:6c7c9]

No its not.
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Did you actually read the article?

[quote:6c7c9]To keep plans to cut the fiscal deficit on track, big cuts have been proposed in healthcare spending.[/quote:6c7c9]

Besides they could spend that £1,6bn on improving the education and many other more important fields. Homeland security I could probably agree with, but 6.9% rise on the military I dont agree with.

They could just withdraw the troops and equipment, then we wouldnt have a defence problem.

elstatec · 02-07-2006, 07:00 AM

not surprised with all the profits that the Military Industrial Complex gets from wars that should not happen.

Capitalism.

c312 · 02-07-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by elstatec

not surprised with all the profits that the Military Industrial Complex gets from wars that should not happen.

Capitalism.

"Capitalism sucks" is not a valid argument.

Pyro · 02-07-2006, 06:39 PM

Hitler loved using Capitalism to his advantage. Hell...it was the thetoric used to build Germany into the Military Power they were...but not so good for the domestic economy in the end.

We need more wars...it is what we were made for... rolleyes:

c312 · 02-07-2006, 07:26 PM

yeah, well Hitler probably did have some success there considering his audience was poor. Offering them a new economic way out would probably peak the people's interest and get their attention. The fact that Hitler used capitalism doesn't mean that capitalism is wrong.

elstatec · 02-07-2006, 07:36 PM

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not surprised with all the profits that the Military Industrial Complex gets from wars that should not happen.

Capitalism.

"Capitalism sucks" is not a valid argument.

in your narrow eyes then yes.

c312 · 02-07-2006, 08:08 PM

you can call me narrow all you want, but really, you are the one who looks like an idiot on these forums, posting random, unfounded shit that basically boils down to opinion and anti-American rhetoric while claiming the opponents views are narrow, dismissing them because you actually know little to nothing about the issues we talk about.

elstatec · 02-07-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by c312

you can call me narrow all you want, but really, you are the one who looks like an idiot on these forums, posting random, unfounded shit that basically boils down to opinion and anti-American rhetoric while claiming the opponents views are narrow, dismissing them because you actually know little to nothing about the issues we talk about.

i can see the world with an open mind (arguable) rather than then the eye of a needle view of the world people like yourself have which is narrow. You post as much "unfounded shit" as anyone else, its just you choose to view it as founded but anything that apposes what your own view is, is actually "unfounded", but please go off subject again and ignore that the budget will help these military defence contracted companies profit from a continuing questionable War in Iraq, coincidence. Dismiss it.

Machette · 02-07-2006, 08:20 PM

I always thought Hitler used a Keynesian approach in his economic model..."Prime the pump" theory. Basically means that a government will spend its way out of a depression by building roads etc..making more jobs avaliable thus making a boom in the economy.

c312 · 02-07-2006, 08:23 PM

so can we make the same assumption about WWII then? We were in a depression, and we went to war and things got better, companies got money? Are you telling me that the steel industries MUST have been behind WWII because they profited from it? And now, you don't post founded stuff, you hardly post any facts or references at all. I can at least respect Machette, ninty, and others for their opinions because they base it from things they have learned, you seem to just spout out stupidities and when you think about some of them, they make absolutely no sense. This is a great example, what EVIDENCE do you have that the defense contractors had any part in generating the War in Iraq? I'm asking for evidence because you seem to be sure of it, so there must be a reason...at least there SHOULD be one. If Machette, ninty, or some of the others in this forum had posted that, they would have included some sort of reasoning and evidence, not just fact. Are you just bad at making arguments? or did you just pull this stuff out of you ass?

02-07-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by c312

you can call me narrow all you want, but really, you are the one who looks like an idiot on these forums, posting random, unfounded shit that basically boils down to opinion and anti-American rhetoric while claiming the opponents views are narrow, dismissing them because you actually know little to nothing about the issues we talk about.

i can see the world with an open mind (arguable) rather than then the eye of a needle view of the world people like yourself have which is narrow. You post as much "unfounded shit" as anyone else, its just you choose to view it as founded but anything that apposes what your own view is, is actually "unfounded", but please go off subject again and ignore that the budget will help these military defence contracted companies profit from a continuing questionable War in Iraq, coincidence. Dismiss it.

calling other people narrow to prove your point in an argument is really stupid, because the world isnt seen through just one eye. What may seem narrow to you isn't to someone else.

As for questionable war, I don't see how it is. The point was to disarm Hussein of his nuclear weapons and to bring democracy to the Middle East. While there were no nuclear weapons found it doesn't mean that there were none. I.E. if you hide your weed in your computer case and your parents check your room (but never think of checking your comp case), it doesn't mean that the weed isnt there. Democracy was brought to the middle east, and with these new elections, the people got to choose who they wanted, which was apparently HAMAS.

Machette · 02-07-2006, 08:27 PM

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so can we make the same assumption about WWII then? We were in a depression, and we went to war and things got better, companies got money? Are you telling me that the steel industries MUST have been behind WWII because they profited from it?

I'm not sure about the Keynesian approach in the American economy. So I won't say anything further about it.

02-07-2006, 08:31 PM

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so can we make the same assumption about WWII then? We were in a depression, and we went to war and things got better, companies got money? Are you telling me that the steel industries MUST have been behind WWII because they profited from it?

I'm not sure about the Keynesian approach in the American economy. So I won't say anything further about it.

America is following the keyensian approach. The government regulates the economy.

what I find ironic is that America was "Fighting" Communism from the 50's to the early 90's, claiming that communism was bad etc.etc., when if you look at it, the American economic system is watered down communism. (Tarrifs, Price controlls, etc.).