[Eight Ace]

Originally Posted by Machette

Bush's ultimate goal in this war was to democratize the middle east. In 2005 there were incidents in the middle east that made it seem as if his plan was working - the whole Cedar Revolution in beirut, and the elections in egypt. But now that people are loosing faith and Bush is blaming the media for their coverage one must ask himself what causes come out of this disaster?

what about the amount of Iraqis that also made it seem Bushs plan was working by voting?
Are you saying that it's only a "good cause" if achieving it is all plain sailing, but now a largely non-iraqi
insurgency disagrees, and starts blowing up market places and mosques then it's a bad cause?

[quote="Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Jordanian head of al-Qaida in Iraq":fa56d]"We have declared a fierce war on this evil principle of democracy and those who follow this wrong ideology.
Anyone who tries to help set up this system is part of it". He also made it clear that al-Qaida opposes elections
in Iraq because they will result in a Shi'a-dominated government.
He alleged that "the Shiites aim to begin spreading their evil faith among people through money and fear."[/quote:fa56d]

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Machette

It shows the extremes he MAY have gone to.

but then why didn't you care so much about what Saddam MAY have done by not letting UN inspectors in?

[Machette]

Inspectors did go..

Also eight ace the Iraqis love their freedom I'm sure they do..but how many can enjoy it on a day to day basis when shit is blowing up all over the country and death squads are kidnapping people, cutting off their heads and dumping on the side of the highway..not to mention barely any electricity and water.

[Machette]

Here is the author who uncovered the whole DSM thing in his book last year..

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hardball-Sands3.wmv

[Coleman]

This just in from Washington DC:
Breaking news. . .


In an attempt to thwart the spread of bird flu,

George W. Bush has bombed the Canary Islands.

[Eight Ace]

Originally Posted by Coleman

This just in from Washington DC:
Breaking news. . .


In an attempt to thwart the spread of bird flu,

George W. Bush has bombed the Canary Islands.

biggrin: omfg...I can only wonder how this is being recieved in Turkey... loney:

[Machette]

oOo:

[Machette]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/ ... 7749.shtml

Rather than making a new thread.

[RaNgeR]

I agree with all of your views Machette...we seem to have alot of Bush lovers here; makes no sense.

[Machette]

Well its the internet the majority of bush lovers here doesnt display the overall opinion of the people, Bush is at a all time low in his approval rating..33% last I checked. Presidential historians are labelling him as the worst president ever, a fully deserved label. Can't see why anyone sees a shed of intelligence in the man.

[TGB!]

[quote:e7eb2]Inspectors did go.. [/quote:e7eb2]

And were kicked out, and not allowed to interview Iraqi scientists without the aid of a finder.

[quote:e7eb2]but how many can enjoy it on a day to day basis when shit is blowing up all over the country and death squads are kidnapping people[/quote:e7eb2]

Sans the "blowing up" - sounds alot like what Blacks had to go through post-Civil War. Somehow - we survived.

[quote:e7eb2] Presidential historians are labelling him as the worst president ever[/quote:e7eb2]

Worse than dumping the country into civil war?

Worse than attempting to supercede congress and the supreme court with Presidential powers?

Worse than "allowing" Pearl Habor to happen, and presiding over the worst economic depression in American history?

Worse than bombing hundreds of THOUSANDS of japanese civilians because you dont want to deal with the possibility of more American casualties?

Worse than allowing a covert military operation to take place in Cuba - and then not providing enough military support?

Worse than allowing Vietnam to happen? (that would be three presidents in there).

Worse than breaking into private property and attempting to smear your political enemies?

Worse than presiding over a gas SHORTAGE?

Worse than selling weapons to rebel Iranian fighters?

Worse than lying to a federal grand jury?

Worse than dismissing an entire agency of the WH and allowing your wife to staff it with friends?

Worse than selling off positions in the Commerce dept. to Chinese spies?

Oh yea, presiding over 9/11 and the resulting economic downturn AND upturn, as well as two successful military campaigns in the middle east as well as forcing pressure on Iran and the UN - sure sounds to me like a great and collosal fuck up.

[Machette]

Glad you hold him in high regard, seems you are a part of the minority.

[Sgt>Stackem]

[quote="TGB!":4b3cc][quote:4b3cc]Inspectors did go.. [/quote:4b3cc]

And were kicked out, and not allowed to interview Iraqi scientists without the aid of a finder.

[quote:4b3cc]but how many can enjoy it on a day to day basis when shit is blowing up all over the country and death squads are kidnapping people[/quote:4b3cc]

Sans the "blowing up" - sounds alot like what Blacks had to go through post-Civil War. Somehow - we survived.

[quote:4b3cc] Presidential historians are labelling him as the worst president ever[/quote:4b3cc]

Worse than dumping the country into civil war?

Worse than attempting to supercede congress and the supreme court with Presidential powers?

Worse than "allowing" Pearl Habor to happen, and presiding over the worst economic depression in American history?

Worse than bombing hundreds of THOUSANDS of japanese civilians because you dont want to deal with the possibility of more American casualties?

Worse than allowing a covert military operation to take place in Cuba - and then not providing enough military support?

Worse than allowing Vietnam to happen? (that would be three presidents in there).

Worse than breaking into private property and attempting to smear your political enemies?

Worse than presiding over a gas SHORTAGE?

Worse than selling weapons to rebel Iranian fighters?

Worse than lying to a federal grand jury?

Worse than dismissing an entire agency of the WH and allowing your wife to staff it with friends?

Worse than selling off positions in the Commerce dept. to Chinese spies?

Oh yea, presiding over 9/11 and the resulting economic downturn AND upturn, as well as two successful military campaigns in the middle east as well as forcing pressure on Iran and the UN - sure sounds to me like a great and collosal fuck up.[/quote:4b3cc]


+1


GWB for the win!!!

[Machette]

Also are you saying that it's a long standing tradition that american presidents do something illegal? So it's generally okay for GWB to do the things he has done because of historic precedent ..eek:

Sounds like the argument Alberto Gonzales used to justify the NSA wiretapping program which goes against the constitution..

Oh I forgot about being in a state of war, Bush has the authorization to do just about anything..You forgot to tell me. oOo:

[TGB!]

[quote:16753]Glad you hold him in high regard, seems you are a part of the minority.[/quote:16753]

Thats ok for me - thankfully I dont base my opinions on the way the wind blows.

[quote:16753]Also are you saying that it's a long standing tradition that american presidents do something illegal?[/quote:16753]

You said hes the worst president in history. I offered BRIEF historial context to show hes not. I said nothing about excusing the illegal and ethically suspect of past Presidents.

[quote:16753]Sounds like the argument Alberto Gonzales used to justify the NSA wiretapping program which goes against the constitution[/quote:16753]

Dunno where you heard this from. If the Spy Program violated any constitutional precepts, the case would have been argued in front of the Supremes, or someone would have - at the very least - said they had intended to do so. Seeing though that members of both congressional houses reviewed the program, and its authorization - I dont think this is going to get much traction.

[quote:16753]Oh I forgot about being in a state of war, Bush has the authorization to do just about anything.[/quote:16753]

Dont let your glib ignorance of American politics and policies presuppose the same ignorance on the part of others.