[Machette]

Alright, I'll try to make sense of this issue. Like I said this is important. I know alot of people on this planet don't like to read long essays or news articles. Mainly because they would rather have it in a 2 paragraph news article..which will obviously miss alot of certain things in that issue. I won't generalize Americans in this category alone becuase alot of my Canadian counter parts are the same. This issue is important for one reason and one reason only. A translation which has been misinterpreted is being used daily by the media. I could read my daily news right now and spot a sentence like this - "Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who has declared that Israel should be wiped off the map said so and so" Catch my drift? This translation has been used daily it seems and the people in government whether it be Canada or the U.S or in Europe are saying this translation as well..saying how they can't deal with someone who wants Israel off the map. Now most of you will think this is nonsense and that's fine - I understand you made your stance even though you didn't read the material at hand - The media obviously won't report this because why on earth would they want to say they made such a big mistake? People would, I hope, be very angry.

The MEMRI is a well known institute it's publications have been used in the NY Times and the Guardian also for BBC News. It's been noted that in Persian their is no word for "map" that's why the translation is so different and well, so wrong to be "Israel should be wiped off the map"

[Sgt>Stackem]

he went on and on, he didnt offer another translation. He is ranting and it is his OPINIONS, OPINIONS ARE NOT NEWS THEY ARE OPINIONS

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Coleman

I don't know how saying Isreal should be deleted from history is being "conservative and trying to make machette mad".

Don't take my quote out of context - I obviously didn't say that.

You were obviously just chiming in on this thread because you're argumentative, It certainly looked that way, anyway....

[Machette]

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":edfd0]he went on and on, he didnt offer another translation. He is ranting and it is his OPINIONS, OPINIONS ARE NOT NEWS THEY ARE OPINIONS[/quote:edfd0]Yes because perhaps you did not click on the links provided within his post. This one being the most important. And this link is not a opinion it is a fact. Did you even read the post properly? ffs.

[url="http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP101305"]http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page= ... D=SP101305[/url]

From that:

[quote:edfd0]'This regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be eliminated from the pages of history.'[/quote:edfd0]

rather than "Israel must be wiped off the map"

That whole site is the proper translation from, probably, his most famous speech. It was included in the first blog you read..which you ultimately responded with a "good thing blogs arn't news" Maybe you just didn't click on the links within it? oOo:

I found this arguement in video format..if any of you wish to find out what this all means rather than read, just watch this.

http://bloggingheads.tv/?id=88&cid=314

[c312]

So the actual translation is
[quote:a3c18] 'This regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be eliminated from the pages of history.'[/quote:a3c18] ? Is that what you are saying, that he didn't actually say he wanted Israel wiped off the map, but that the Israeli government should be wiped out of history?

[TGB!]

I neither have the time, nor the patience to indulge any of the "oh lets hop on the Israel is baaaaad bandwagon and force ourselves to defend religious fundementalists, nevermind the fact that every other word out of our mouthes is poo-pooing on those bad american fundamentalists who talk about wiping gays from the face of the planet" bullshit that "informed intellectual progressives" seem to be intent on riding into the ground.

But I do have to ask this - what exactly does "wipe from history" mean to you MACHETTE. Its almost like a SERIAL KILLER taking umbrage with the fact that a newspaper reported that he raped and mutilated 14 yr old girls, instead of the reality of him raping and mutilating 60 year old women. The "clean" statement is hardly a statement thats going to get the President of Iran invited to break challah on the sabbath. This is a ridiculous fucking debate over semantics, that "underground" neo-progressives have picked up on to attack the media establishment (re: The Bush Controlled Media) and make themselves feel as if they have gained ground in the "war" on Neo-Conservatism.

Macehtte - if that is your real name - you read too fucking much. And yes, that is an insult. You remind me of this guy who memorized every "issue" that he could get his hands on, and could recite verbotim the pros and cons of the subject as dictated in the text of the articles read. . .and that was the depth of his understanding of things. All surface.

[Simo Häyhä]

His real name is Courtney

[elstatec]

Originally Posted by Machette

Yeah I think you better read the article(s)..What you wrote is answered within the articles..Guess I once again under estimated everyones literacy skills on this site. oOo:

[Machette]

[quote="TGB!":a585c]I neither have the time, nor the patience to indulge any of the "oh lets hop on the Israel is baaaaad bandwagon and force ourselves to defend religious fundementalists, nevermind the fact that every other word out of our mouthes is poo-pooing on those bad american fundamentalists who talk about wiping gays from the face of the planet" bullshit that "informed intellectual progressives" seem to be intent on riding into the ground.

But I do have to ask this - what exactly does "wipe from history" mean to you MACHETTE. Its almost like a SERIAL KILLER taking umbrage with the fact that a newspaper reported that he raped and mutilated 14 yr old girls, instead of the reality of him raping and mutilating 60 year old women. The "clean" statement is hardly a statement thats going to get the President of Iran invited to break challah on the sabbath. This is a ridiculous fucking debate over semantics, that "underground" neo-progressives have picked up on to attack the media establishment (re: The Bush Controlled Media) and make themselves feel as if they have gained ground in the "war" on Neo-Conservatism.

Macehtte - if that is your real name - you read too fucking much. And yes, that is an insult. You remind me of this guy who memorized every "issue" that he could get his hands on, and could recite verbotim the pros and cons of the subject as dictated in the text of the articles read. . .and that was the depth of his understanding of things. All surface. [/quote:a585c]

I'll congratulate you on your opening sentence. Because as you basically stated you didn't read the material at hand, proving your post groundless. Highly groundless to say the least. I enjoyed your entire post even the end when you brought in personal attacks, quite ingenious in a political debate..If you even bothered to read, which you didn't, the MEMRI site which backs up coles claim. MEMRI is known for it's right wing publications and is widely known in corporate media. I don't think it's necessary to continue further because as you stated "I have neither the time or patience" so kindly get out of this thread. This issue isn't about Israel defending itself or American's taking over the world it's about a mistranslation and if you READ everything I gave to the readers, even a video you would know the issue at hand. You have taken everything out of context and issued what seems to be a sterotypical response labelling my post as anti-american and anti-israel. Kindly read everything and if you don't kindly cease from posting.

[c312]

It would be easier if you didn't give us 30 million articles to have to read. You profess to know about the issue, so why don't you tell us about it instead of letting the 30 million links do it for you?

And please answer my clarification question in my last post..

I don't understand why this is such a big deal if the quote was only that different from the actual translation. They both suggest the same thing in different words, that's probably why the media isn't changing it, because they both send the same message...

I think these people are making something out of nothing.

[TGB!]

[quote:c5a3b]I'll congratulate you on your opening sentence. Because as you basically stated you didn't read the material at hand, proving your post groundless.[/quote:c5a3b]

Youll note Mr. Wizard - that my comment had fuck all to do with the content of the article, and everything to do with the movement Ive noticed in certain "intellectual circles".

I'm not going to even bother with your multi-syllalabic cry for "Hey I Be Smart" kudos -

I DONT need to read the article since nothing in the above reply was a rebuke or refutation of anyones findings. I could give two shits if you try to qualify your "credible" source by claiming its right-wing, etc. etc. My comment isnt focused on that. Its focused on the hilarity of the "revised" quote, and the progressive blogsphere jumping on it as a proxy for right-wing-attacks, nevermind that the "revised" translation isnt any better or less inflammatory than the original comment ("Hey they arent saying to wipe anyone of the planet - they just dont want them to exist in history, past, present, or future - TOTALLY different") - hence the analogy which I guess was SO SIMPLE that it didnt even register in your advanced analytical mind.

As for "personal attacks" - when you preface a reply with a backhanded bullshit "Oh I know noone here likes to actually read anything", and follow up with a sloopy "Oh I undersestimated the literacy level of youse dudes" (keep reading that - you'll figure out why that "subtle" insult doesnt work), you basically open yourself up to getting as much as you give.

And finally - youre not as smart as you think you are Machette. Too bad you seem to be the last person to get that. . .

[geRV]

[quote="Simo Häyhä":e3709]His real name is Courtney[/quote:e3709]

You're about as funny as having the thrill of watching your own parents be gunned down. oOo:

[Simo Häyhä]

[quote=geRV]

Originally Posted by "Simo Häyhä":622f3

His real name is Courtney

You're about as funny as having the thrill of watching your own parents be gunned down. oOo:[/quote:622f3]
Drink 60 shots of 100% pure isopropyl alcohol in 60 seconds and test your driving skills

[geRV]

[quote="Simo Häyhä":33f3c][quote=geRV]

Originally Posted by "Simo Häyhä":33f3c

His real name is Courtney

You're about as funny as having the thrill of watching your own parents be gunned down. oOo:[/quote:33f3c]
Drink 60 shots of 100% pure isopropyl alcohol in 60 seconds and test your driving skills[/quote:33f3c]

Only after you inhale a kilogram of anthrax.

[Sgt>Stackem]

Originally Posted by c312

It would be easier if you didn't give us 30 million articles to have to read. You profess to know about the issue, so why don't you tell us about it instead of letting the 30 million links do it for you?

And please answer my clarification question in my last post..

I don't understand why this is such a big deal if the quote was only that different from the actual translation. They both suggest the same thing in different words, that's probably why the media isn't changing it, because they both send the same message...

I think these people are making something out of nothing.

yea, what he said