Vietnow - Page 2

Johnj · 05-20-2006, 12:01 PM

And I see that you still don't get it. Your still advocating one side against the other. I just want the senseless killing to stop. But every time the west brokers some kind of cease fire, some Muslim will come along and start killing innocents again. And then you say "I understand why they kidnaped the aid worker and beheaded him." or "Suicide bombing is the only weapon these people have to fight with."

STOP THE KILLINGnotice how I didn't pick a side

I really don't care if Iran has nuclear weapons. If their current history with technology is any indication, they will blow themselves up before they can drop the big one on Israel. Which is what I think they will try to do as soon as they have the bomb.

Ah the famous "Mistranslation" thread, where you want us to only think of one statement used by the press. When every time that guy gives a speech he says Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth.

Your angry because what Ed is saying is hitting too close to home. Think about it.

Machette · 05-20-2006, 12:34 PM

Did I not say in that mistranslation thread you could find another quote where he said something similar? That thread ended and so does this argument. It was one quote thats it. Yes I sit on the left of the spectrum. All I am doing is showing you on the right the other side of this and why they do what they do. Just because I'm showing you something means I advocate it? And I'm not angry because ED "was hitting it close to home" He was far from it in my opinion. I know everyone on the right champions ED and that's why when he says something it seems he speaks for all the conservatives..which, to me, is pretty funny because no one else has a opinion. I have my eyes open and I can look at myself and see that I in no way champion Laden and his rag tag team.

All I am doing is showing all of you what the information I have gathered over the years and placing it the way I see best fit. I in no way am attempting to say one side is better. In general I'd wish terrosim would stop so that everybody can see what the wrongdoings of foreign policy in the ME. But as of now, as all threads have done in the past when the debate shifts from the topic to the individual, this thread is once again showing why everbody thinks I'm wrong and a "idiot". Can one thread be a debate about a topic rather than attacking someones views and integrity? I don't lash out at ED's views saying "A black republican? I've never seen one of those before" or "The right is so stupid and arrogant" Enough is enough we hate each other and that's fine but rather than talk about each other - DEBATE THE ISSUE. That is all I ask. If you look at most of the threads in the past when the debate got heavy it was about the other persons views rather than the topic. One only has to look at the mistranslation thread, which was a mistake to post in the first place. So if anyone has anything relative to the topic then that's fine if not I'm out of here.

c312 · 05-20-2006, 02:30 PM

Colonel has a point with the "policy" argument. It goes both ways.

They should be punished, of course. But Machette, you did attribute something bad that a few guys did to an entire branch of the military, and it's obviously not like that.

And BTW, I'm pretty sure most Muslims don't embrace Communism or Socialism because central to both systems is the ideal of a secular state, and obviously most Muslim countries are ruled by theocracies so Islam and Marx don't mesh too well on religious levels.

Short Hand · 05-20-2006, 02:43 PM

[quote="TGB!":c94ff]

By all means MACHETTE - romanticize Bin Laden and his "war". Too bad you werent born in the 1930's and 40's. The NAZI's could have definitely used a PR man like you.[/quote:c94ff]

Someone disagrees with you? Compare 'em to a Nazi. Works like a charm. oOo:

Good ole Stewart summed up your kind quite well. rolleyes:

c312 · 05-20-2006, 03:03 PM

Like pointing out the cliche holds more value in the argument?

Short Hand · 05-20-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by c312

Like pointing out the cliche holds more value in the argument?

It seems to work for him on a daily basis. To many people on this forum try to be civil when it comes to politics with this giant typing douche, and he goes by the same formula every single fucking time. It gets sickening. TO make it worse, he has a small fanboy club which promotes his behavior, and it keeps going on and on. BE honest, was there really ANY point to making the Nazi PR comment ? none.

Machette · 05-20-2006, 03:27 PM

Please people lets not take this off the tracks. And I know c312 that just because a few bad apples did this doesn't mean it spoils the whole bunch. It's just a bad thing to occur, you are there helping these people and something like this kind of ruins the marines image or the military presence in general.

Tripper · 05-20-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TGB

Put down your Starbucks Coffe enhanced White Guilt™ and open your damn eyes.

lollllll

TGB! · 05-20-2006, 08:02 PM

[quote:0e63a]That thread ended and so does this argument.[/quote:0e63a]

That thread ended when the irrelevancy of your "serious discussion" was brought to bear, and in the ensuing panic - your intellectual pride got butt hurt when everyone pointed this out to you. But thats usually what happens when so-called intellectuals try to "open the eyes of the unwashed, uneducated masses". They get exposed as the frauds they are. That you continued to equivocate and dance around semantics formed Eight and my assessment of you - but if you can enlighten us as to your dogged refusal to see what everyone else saw in the quote - please let us know.

[quote:0e63a]DEBATE THE ISSUE.[/quote:0e63a]

[quote:0e63a]The few the proud, the marines. rock: rock:[/quote:0e63a]

You didnt post this to "debate the issue" - you did so to take - once again - the piss on the American War Machine.

As for MARX and ISLAM - what the fuck, can you not read? You must be able to, since you name drop all these literary figures any chance you get:

"Hey guys look - im a learned man!".

If you want to discuss the implications of this investigation - then do so as an adult and not some petulant progressive going "Nya nya nya! lookit what these 'liberators' are doing!" - then do so. I dont think you can.

Machette · 05-20-2006, 08:29 PM

ED as someone else said on this board you hold yourself higher than anyone else. You can't accept the facts yourself when something is pointed out to you. And when I said "the few the proud the marines" I was pissed at the war machine and I will not deny that, I thought anyone would have found that obvious. But the reason I posted it was to debate not to say hey look at this your wrong I'm right its all over. ffs I think that would be obvious to you who seems to be well educated. Plus that statement in a way can stimulate debate on this fourm. And enough of this "intellectual" bullshit, if anyone is attempting to see themself as a intellect on this board its you. Read how you post and how you bully people, its mere common sense to just about anyone. Look at all the people who champion you because you seem to speak for them. Enough is enough, I wasted words on you and you did the same on me. If I'm as stupid as you say I am why do you keep wasting your time on me? Is it a grudge? And because I dropped a literary figure to back a claim up means I'm attempting to be a self-proclaimed intellect...rightttt that makes plenty sense ED. It's more like backing a statement up. And you talking about acting as a adult, please, you only have to read the way you post in this fourm. It's essentially the tone that 'I'm right you are always wrong'. And I don't think you can deny that claim as well. I can atleast accept self-defeat unlike yourself. And I'll take the advice you gave me in the end. So that's that.

Short Hand · 05-21-2006, 12:35 AM

[quote="TGB!":1752e]

That thread ended when the irrelevancy of your "serious discussion" was brought to bear, and in the ensuing panic - your intellectual pride got butt hurt when everyone pointed this out to you. But thats usually what happens when so-called intellectuals try to "open the eyes of the unwashed, uneducated masses". They get exposed as the frauds they are. That you continued to equivocate and dance around semantics formed Eight and my assessment of you - but if you can enlighten us as to your dogged refusal to see what everyone else saw in the quote - please let us know.

can.[/quote:1752e]

You just described yourself.

TGB! · 05-23-2006, 09:33 PM

[quote:944ad]ED as someone else said on this board you hold yourself higher than anyone else.[/quote:944ad]

Who said this - and if they did - so?

[quote:944ad]You can't accept the facts yourself when something is pointed out to you.[/quote:944ad]

Please dont confuse shutting down falsehoods with a refusal to accept facts. . .

[quote:944ad]But the reason I posted it was to debate not to say hey look at this your wrong I'm right its all over.[/quote:944ad]

Then you should have posted it in a more mature manner - you didnt, and so you got the discussion you asked for. You can scream "mea culpa" all you want - but it dont change the fact that you initiated the tenor of this discourse, or lack thereof. The fact that there are SEVERAL ex-Marines here - myself included - doesnt make it the smartest move you could have pulled.

[quote:944ad]You just described yourself.[/quote:944ad]

Youre about as relevant as a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest. . .

Ahhh the old classics.

Machette · 05-23-2006, 10:13 PM

You are a ex-marine? I would never have guessed. Not sarcasm either.

Simo Häyhä · 05-24-2006, 03:46 PM

Anderson joined the marines to shag women in foreign countries happy:

snipes · **Re: Vietnow -** 05-24-2006, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Machette

The few the proud, the marines. rock: rock:

Exactly as TGB said... I highly doubt you said that to "debate" the issue.. oOo: