[Colonel]

Tripper, sometimes it is too easy to push your buttons. But fun nevertheless.

I was joking. I think. ... hmmm ... maybe not. I'm not sure. Could be. Maybe.

HAW!! Fact of the matter is I worked for a Japanese company for ten years. I was the Director of Sales for them in the US. I have been to Japan more than ten times. Beautiful country. Great people. Sometimes very hard to work for since they believe that they can do no wrong and that Americans are a lower form of human. Overall they are nice guys, but I grew to not trust them. I hired an American to cover the Northeast and he was married to a Japanese girl. I was suspicious of an email that I was copied on. I sent it to her to translate. The English portion of the email said one thing and the Japanese language portion at the bottom said, among other things, "please reply in Japanese, I don't want the Americans to know what we are doing." And these guys were part of our US company! That was when I decided to find an American company to work for.

But don't worry. I like Japan. I like most of the Japanese people and I still have good friends over there. I'm glad we only dropped two bombs on them.

Maybe.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Johnj

The Japanese haven't given us anything. We pay for everything we get from Japan. Somethings we get we pay for two times if not more.

So where else would you buy that type of stuff from? If you didn't have all the Japanese technology then you wouldn't have half the stores they're sold from.

We wouldn't be on this site, most probably. The Japanese have influenced more than most realise.

[Sgt>Stackem]

you could also spin it this way. If it wasnt for the US rebuilting Japan after we blew it up they wouldnt be able to produce the worlds electronics

[Colonel]

or you could point out that had Dr. Deming (http://www.lii.net/deming.html) not convinced the Japanese to embrace his quality improvement program they would not be where they are today.

[imported_Fluffy_Bunny]

The main thing that bugs me about the Japs is the denial of their atrocities in the Second World War & their audacity to refuse to apologise. I've read many accounts of what they did & tbh they make the Nazis seem quite hospitable. It doesn't help my opinion that their PM has recently prayed at a holy shine that glorifies convicted war criminals.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-p ... 946389.stm

http://members.iinet.com.au/~gduncan/ma ... ml#Pacific

[quote:512a1]THE PORT BLAIR MASSACRES (March 23, 1942)

Japanese forces occupied the British controlled Andaman Islands. They met no resistance from the local population but within hours the 'Sons of Heaven' started an orgy of looting, raping and murder. Unbelievable orgies were perpetrated in the towns and villages with women and young girls forcibly raped and young boys sodomized. In Port Blair, eight high-ranking Indian officials were tortured then buried up to their chests in pits they were forced to dig. Their chests, heads and eyes were then prodded with bayonets after which the pit was sprayed with bullets until the helpless victims were all dead. The Director of Health and President of the Indian Independence League, Diwan Singh, was arrested and nearly 2,000 of his Peace Committee associates incarcerated in the local jail and subjected to the water treatment, electric shocks and other unspeakable forms of torture for eighty-two days. Those left alive were then taken out to the country and shot and buried. After the massacre the Japanese resorted to a reign of terror, women were abducted and taken to the officers club to be raped by the officer elite. A shipload of Korean girls was brought in to participate in this 'sport'. During the three and a half years of Japanese occupation, out of the 40,000 population of Port Blair around 30,000 were brutally murdered. The small islands of the Andamans were left a scene of utter devastation. This was Japan's way of helping India get her freedom from British rule.
[/quote:512a1]

[Tripper]

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":30375]you could also spin it this way. If it wasnt for the US rebuilting Japan after we blew it up they wouldnt be able to produce the worlds electronics[/quote:30375]

You could, but I don't see any Japanese on this forum saying they should have bombed America to hell. rolleyes:

[Colonel]

Actually, they tried. As best they could anyway. They had a plan to attach paper bombs to hot air balloons and then let the jet stream carry them to the US. They had two types. One was an explosive type bomb and the other was basically a paper bag filled with fleas carrying the bubonic (sp?) plague. Both methods were tested. In fact many years after the war a paper bomb was found in the US desert. It is believed that the Japanese actually attempted their plan. As for the second method, the Japanese tested this idea on a city in China and killed off the whole city by infecting them with the plague.

Or do you think that if they had actually won that our fate would have been any different than Nanking, China?

[quote:0b1dd]The Rape of Nanking: An Undeniable History in Photographs tells the story in words and more than 400 photographs of the Japanese invasion of China and the sacking of its capital city, Nanking, in 1937-38.

Between December 1937 and March 1938 at least 369,366 Chinese civilians and prisoners of war were slaughtered by the invading troops. An estimated 80,000 women and girls were raped; many of them were then mutilated or murdered.

THE SAVAGERY OF THE KILLING WAS AS APPALLING AS ITS SCALE.

Thousands of victims were beheaded, burned, bayoneted, buried alive, or disemboweled.

To this day the Japanese government has refused to apologize for these and other World War II atrocities, and a significant sector of Japanese society denies that they took place at all.
[/quote:0b1dd]

BTW - for comparison sake, the two bombs dropped on Japan killed about 214,000. That's just a little more than half the number butchered by the Japanese in one city alone.

[Tripper]

Hey....Old dude, Stop trying to drag me into some argument about how inhumane the Japanese are, just so you can feel good about yourself for putting me in my place or something. If you READ my post you would notice what I am now going to put in bold for you...:

[quote=Tripper]

Originally Posted by "Sgt>Stackem":c6727

you could also spin it this way. If it wasnt for the US rebuilting Japan after we blew it up they wouldnt be able to produce the worlds electronics

You could, but I don't see any Japanese on this forum saying they should have bombed America to hell. rolleyes:[/quote:c6727]

My initial response was directed at your statement that you wish your country, to this day, had dropped an extra nuke on japanese civilians.

I realise the Imperial japanese government and its troops were a nasty bunch of people, but I'm not trying to and I never was, trying to argue against that.
So stop trying to make yourself feel better by acting like I was.

[Colonel]

Wow Tripper, you're a little testy this week. LOL A little bummed 'cause school is about to start? If you'll read my second post you'll see that I was joking. I don't post to put anybody down or make myself feel better. But it's ok if you want to think that.

BTW - maybe there aren't any Japanese saying that "they should have bombed America to hell." on this forum because:

1. There are few, if any, Japanese citizens posting on this forum.

2. They know they were wrong in starting the war. Or at least that's what the current generation will tell an American to his face.

3. Us "Old dudes" still remember their atrocities, had relatives (both living and dead) that suffered from these atrocities, and might hold a few hard feelings due to that fact and there are very few, if any, old Japanese dudes in this forum.

And by the way, I don't think we should have "dropped an extra nuke on japanese civilians". I think we should have dropped several more. At least enough to kill as many of their civilians as they killed in Nanking.













I got ya again didn't I? Lighten up Tripper. Take a deep breath. Relax. The war was over 61 years ago. Nobody is going to drop anymore bombs on the lovely Japanese people or their beautiful country.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Colonel

Wow Tripper, you're a little testy this week. LOL A little bummed 'cause school is about to start? If you'll read my second post you'll see that I was joking. I don't post to put anybody down or make myself feel better. But it's ok if you want to think that.

BTW - maybe there aren't any Japanese saying that "they should have bombed America to hell." on this forum because:

1. There are few, if any, Japanese citizens posting on this forum. That was kinda, part of my point.

2. They know they were wrong in starting the war. Or at least that's what the current generation will tell an American to his face.

3. Us "Old dudes" still remember their atrocities, had relatives (both living and dead) that suffered from these atrocities, and might hold a few hard feelings due to that fact and there are very few, if any, old Japanese dudes in this forum.

And by the way, I don't think we should have "dropped an extra nuke on japanese civilians". I think we should have dropped several more. At least enough to kill as many of their civilians as they killed in Nanking.













I got ya again didn't I? Lighten up Tripper. Take a deep breath. Relax. The war was over 61 years ago. Nobody is going to drop anymore bombs on the lovely Japanese people or their beautiful country.

It's pretty ridiculous you can't look past what happened 61 years ago and see them as the close ally they are, and maybe realise what you wouldn't have had your country not helped rebuild theirs....

You've also got some nasty shit going on in your head if you're wishing death upon the Japanese people. I would understand had you fought against them in the war....But you didn't. Theres no civilian population on the planet that I personally would wish such an inhumane and horrible act on, in the name of my country.

P.S - I realise there are no Japanese people on this forum.

P.P.S - As if you give a shit about chinese civilians....You do realise they've been responsible for several atrocities, some against americans since WW2?

I may seem a little peppered at some of the stuff you've said - It just makes me angry to see someone of your age act as if that kind of violence is valid when it is "instigated" by unrelated violence... I just hope to god your kids don't get into politics.

[Doctor Duffy]

Originally Posted by Tripper

I just hope to god your kids don't get into politics.

CAUSE I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG

[Tripper]

[quote="Doctor Duffy":ae56e]

Originally Posted by Tripper

I just hope to god your kids don't get into politics.

CAUSE I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG[/quote:ae56e]

Serious conversation: No toddlers allowed.

[Simo Häyhä]

[img]http://www.movv.com/files/4361simo-lol.jpg[/img]

[Colonel]

Originally Posted by Tripper

...It's pretty ridiculous you can't look past what happened 61 years ago and see them as the close ally they are, and maybe realise what you wouldn't have had your country not helped rebuild theirs....

Tripper, you make me chuckle. Thanks for keeping this thread going. I'm not sure what you mean by the second part of this sentence. Are you saying that we wouldn't have the US today if it weren't for the Japanese?

BTW, I can certainly look past what happened 61 years ago. I wouldn't have worked for a Japanese company for ten years if I was living in the past, or if I didn't "see them as a close ally". But I do find it funny that you are getting this upset about a statement concerning something that I jokingly said should have happened 61 uears ago. I didn't say it should happen today. I didn't even jokingly say it should happen today. But we did drop two atomic bombs on military targets in Japan and many civilians died. That is truly a shame, but I think we did the right thing at the time. I've been to Hiroshima. I've seen their museum about the bombings. Your right in that it was "horrible" but I believe, at the time, it was necessary. And it was no more horrible than other things done on a larger scale by other countries.

And no I didn't fight against the Japanese, my Uncle did. My dad was mostly European theatre, until the very end when he was moved over to the Pacific.

[quote:db6ba]P.P.S - As if you give a crap about chinese civilians....You do realise they've been responsible for several atrocities, some against americans since WW2?[/quote:db6ba]

I like the Chinese. They've got great food and many fine restaurants in the US. Can't you look past what happened years ago and see them as the close ally they are?

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Colonel

Tripper, you make me chuckle. Thanks for keeping this thread going. I'm not sure what you mean by the second part of this sentence. Are you saying that we wouldn't have the US today if it weren't for the Japanese?

Oh ya, picture a comma after have, and before had - and it should read correctly.

[quote:4fcc1]
BTW, I can certainly look past what happened 61 years ago. I wouldn't have worked for a Japanese company for ten years if I was living in the past, or if I didn't "see them as a close ally". But I do find it funny that you are getting this upset about a statement concerning something that I jokingly said should have happened 61 uears ago. I didn't say it should happen today. I didn't even jokingly say it should happen today.[/quote:4fcc1]

You said you were joking first, and then you tried to make me wonder or something by posting that "maybe" you thought all that stuff, and then even posts after that you seemed serious - This is the internet, I can't hear the 'tone' of your text - So I was just plain confused by how you were joking about it. The fact that you tried to dispute all my points made me believe you were arguing your point which was that initial post that I reacted to in the first place...It's not that funny, it might have been funny, if you were more obviously joking...

[quote:4fcc1]But we did drop two atomic bombs on military targets in Japan and many civilians died. That is truly a shame, but I think we did the right thing at the time. I've been to Hiroshima. I've seen their museum about the bombings. Your right in that it was "horrible" but I believe, at the time, it was necessary. And it was no more horrible than other things done on a larger scale by other countries.[/quote:4fcc1]

I believe that the allies fight in WW2 was largely righteous...I have family that fought, too - A couple of my dad's uncles never came back from North Africa...I also believe that both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were warranted in forcing the Japanese to submit to surrender for the benefit of both countries. This is reinforced by the fact that Japan was so determined that they only surrendered after the SECOND nuke...Had we dropped another nuke after they surrendered, that would have made our countries just as evil.


[quote:4fcc1]
[quote:4fcc1]P.P.S - As if you give a crap about chinese civilians....You do realise they've been responsible for several atrocities, some against americans since WW2?[/quote:4fcc1]

I like the Chinese. They've got great food and many fine restaurants in the US. Can't you look past what happened years ago and see them as the close ally they are?[/quote:4fcc1]

I don't particularly like the Chinese, but for other reasons, and I do have my reasons, its not because of their history....But thats not the point and never was - Because I never said I didn't like the Chinese in any of my posts, I was offering you a question for why you could (had you been serious) hate the japanese that much for what they did to the chinese, when the chinese have done many bad things also, and some directly to americans since you guys saved them from the japanese.