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Originally Posted by SoLiDUS

Very illogical thing for a supreme intellect to do if you ask me. Wouldn't you
agree ?

How would we know? To a dog, the act of washing dishes must be incomprehensable (sp?). If we are but children, who are we to know what Gods intentions are? Someone mentioned years of sufferring. To an enternal being, what are a few millenia?

How can our simple minds hope to understand the forces behind the creation of the universe? We dont even fully understand our own bodies. So that brings us to faith. You accept it, you reject it, you make a decision, but it is anything but simple.

[Duke_of_Ray]

[quote:9ffa0]The exact opposite, my dear. Choice...

Unlike Duke's God, mine is a supraintelligent being that designed the
Universe with beauty and love in mind: he gave you Life and the freedom
to acknowledge his existence and the choice to Love his being.

Life isn't a biased test in which the final outcome is either Heaven or Hell:
that is my contention and I will stand by it. Of all "beliefs", it is the most
logical and consistent of all. I suggest taking a look at the link I posted...
[/quote:9ffa0]


Well that is not unlike my God, infact thats a great description of Him, but if you choose to deny Him then you must suffer. YOu might say, "well God wouldnt do that, not if he is loving", sorry but He will. God made it so easy for us, all we have to do is believe, so yes I can understand GOd being mad at us for not accepting, I mean Jesus died for us, sufferd for us, God allowed us to live, he gave us many chances, and again made it simple its not even funny. Now being a Christian may not be easy, but becoming one is, I know it may be hard to ask for help, you may be embarresed, but why let that stop you from eternal peace? Yea lets compare the religions and see which one makes the most sense.



[quote:9ffa0]Duke,

Can you force anyone to love you?

Can you demand being loved?

Would you really love someone if there are “conditions”
attached?

What happens to true Love in these situations?

The moment we try to force anyone to love us, or impose any
conditions, the Higher feeling that we call Love – simply stops
existing. It is instantly replaced by feelings of bitterness,
disappointment and even deceit, as soon as any conditions are
discovered.

This is a very “delicate situation” – to say the least.
From the above, it is clear that:

In order to experience True Love - the autonomy of
individual intellects cannot be in any way compromised.
Individual intellects have to CHOOSE themselves to give their
Highest feelings to other individual intellects by their OWN
Free Will.

Hence, we can define the autonomy of the “individual
intellects” as a necessary condition in “Designing for Love”.

FREEDOM OF CHOICE.

Heaven and Hell cannot be what await you at the moment of physical
death, assuming supraphysical states of consciousness and existence
really ARE.

Check your premises... [/quote:9ffa0]

Im not trying to get you to love me, thats the least of my worries, my only concern is for you all that have not accepted the Truth, I do not want anybody to go to hell, nor does God, but He will do what he has to do. Yes God gave us freedom of choice, but there is a right and a wrong.



[quote:9ffa0]No.

Unlikely, if he is willing to allow one of his prized creations to suffer eternity
in the worst imaginable place after one physical incarnation: considering how
your tabula rasa is filled by an education and values partly instilled in you
by your parents and the society of your time and place, if your freedom of
choice lands you in Hell, he is not at all the same being I choose to believe
in.

Very illogical thing for a supreme intellect to do if you ask me. Wouldn't you
agree ? [/quote:9ffa0]

God gave us the choice to accept him or deny him, and God will send you to hell, do not try to kid yoursellf otherwise.

[Tiwaz]

How do you know God will send someone to hell. I am not even sure God will send Adolf Hitler to hell. Because you can not always help yourself.

Why do I think this? An example: We all say 'Hitler was crazy'. Because he was. Out of his mind. What was he thinking? He probably thought he was doing the right thing? Crazy? Yes.

True crazy people don't know they're crazy, so why judge them for what they do, or are? People are not always in control of the things you do.

Think about it.

I'll see it when I get there. Best thing to do until then? Try to live a good life. For yourself as well as others. Goes for believers as well as non-believers.

As for atheists, agnostics...can they help themselves? You are what you are. How you growed up has influence. So does your environment. Consider this: You are an Indian, born in 1300 A.D. You don't believe in God, but worship the Sun. Or some other thing. You live a good life. God exists. Will you go to hell? Because you are 'ignorant'?

Think about it.

[Duke_of_Ray]

[quote:825b5]
How can our simple minds hope to understand the forces behind the creation of the universe? We dont even fully understand our own bodies. So that brings us to faith. You accept it, you reject it, you make a decision, but it is anything but simple. [/quote:825b5]

Ya know, I actually agree with you, we cant compeltely understand God always, sometimes you can someimes you cant, and it is through Faith that you believe.




[quote:825b5]How do you know God will send someone to hell. I am not even sure God will send Adolf Hitler to hell. Because you can not always help yourself.

Why do I think this? An example: We all say 'Hitler was crazy'. Because he was. Out of his mind. What was he thinking? He probably thought he was doing the right thing? Crazy? Yes.

True crazy people don't know they're crazy, so why judge them for what they do, or are? People are not always in control of the things you do.

Think about it.

I'll see it when I get there. Best thing to do until then? Try to live a good life. For yourself as well as others. Goes for believers as well as non-believers.

As for atheists, agnostics...can they help themselves? You are what you are. How you growed up has influence. So does your environment. Consider this: You are an Indian, born in 1300 A.D. You don't believe in God, but worship the Sun. Or some other thing. You live a good life. God exists. Will you go to hell? Because you are 'ignorant'?

[/quote:825b5]

Well I am sure God sends people to hell,as for Hitler, well I have an idea where he is, but if he truly repented then he is in Heaven. There is no point is just leading a good life, that will get you no where, again you must accept Jesus. As for the Indian, I believe that God gives them a chance to repent and accept Christ.

[Unknown_Sniper]

Your telling me that no matter what....if Hitler honestly repented and felt sorry. HE got into heaven? see if I was god Id say "hitler we need to talk...You were a mean son of a bitch....you dont deserve hell...you get to be a everything you hate forever, a jewish, homosexual, half black half asain, baldheaded, weak little man." See how long he can last. I mean really. Getting stabbed so manytimes with pitchforks sounds bad and all but you will get used to it after a while,

[SoLiDUS]

[quote:fef96]As for the Indian, I believe that God gives them a chance to repent and accept Christ.[/quote:fef96]

LMFAO


[quote:fef96]How would we know? To a dog, the act of washing dishes must be incomprehensable (sp?). If we are but children, who are we to know what Gods intentions are? Someone mentioned years of sufferring. To an enternal being, what are a few millenia?

How can our simple minds hope to understand the forces behind the creation of the universe? We dont even fully understand our own bodies. So that brings us to faith. You accept it, you reject it, you make a decision, but it is anything but simple. [/quote:fef96]

What will a dog go see first ? The piece of shit on the floor or the diamond?
He will go play with the fecal matter. Why ? His mind can't see the beauty of
the diamond and admire the design of the Universe. God's intentions are
most likely the same as any advanced intellect: the need to feel love, to be
loved, give it and other higher feelings: he doesn't play dice. Is this not the
best outcome ? In any case, when you are at a point where you do not need
to physically incarnate inside a body to experience certain spiritual things, u
might be in a better position to know what it is that the creational entity wants
but until then, we're all just assuming a bunch of things. I will take the logical
one over Christianity any day.

[Ydiss]

Originally Posted by Fallout

Yes, if you honestly repented for it, yes.

I'd rather live in a world full of law-abiding atheists than a world full of God-fearing killers.

"But you must accept Jaysus and in that accept in Gaahd. He, the Lawd o'mightay, will be youur savior and they will offuh sanctuary to those who have sinned but willfuly repent in the naaaaaame of Jaysus.
"If you do nat accept Jaysus and deny the will of Gaahd then you will surely be condemned to et-er-ni-ty in the faaaary pits o Heyll!"

[/cheap American accent]

Keep going, Duke. Another 21 pages of your preaching and we'll all be saved.

[Unknown_Sniper]

I just have to ask you Duke. YOu keep saying we are no longer on your hands. SO why the hell do you care anymore? let us go to hell if thats how it is. IF you continue to try to press god into our minds and "Souls" you will continue to have our blood on your hands as you say. So therefore you have failed ot teach us. and it is your fault. So to avoid this just dont try to do anything for us

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[Unknown_Sniper]

no you were put out of the pictuer on the first couple of pages. ITs been DUke, me, SLoi, most of the way. so its made US famous....

[Ydiss]

[quote:72750]Uh, in hell you would see nobody, you would be in total darkness and feel nashing of teeth, and the undying fire[/quote:72750]

Some would call that foreplay.

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":66670]I just have to ask you Duke. YOu keep saying we are no longer on your hands. SO why the hell do you care anymore? let us go to hell if thats how it is. IF you continue to try to press god into our minds and "Souls" you will continue to have our on your hands as you say. So therefore you have failed ot teach us. and it is your fault. So to avoid this just dont try to do anything for us[/quote:66670]

no, its not his fault, he tried, that's all that he is supposed to do. It is hopeless here, but now, it is time to stop, now Duke, you are just making more people angry and hurting people's ideas of Christians

[Ydiss]

Originally Posted by Fallout

no, its not his fault, he tried, that's all that he is supposed to do. It is hopeless here, but now, it is time to stop, now Duke, you are just making more people angry and hurting people's ideas of Christians

I wouldn't say he's hurting our idea of Christians.

I know many people who are Christians but they don't behave in that way at all.

Despite the repetitive and blinkered nature of his posts it's actually quite enjoyable reading.

Enjoyable as in watching a dog chase its tail enjoyable.

I thought I'd ignore this thread due to the table-tennis nature that it had engendered after the nth post, but no, I think there's still life in this old dog.

[Unknown_Sniper]

I better reload and shoot this old dog yet again. Its just repeating itself in new ways. I say we kill it now

Originally Posted by Ydiss

What? Like they did lots of "bad stuff"? Or they didn't try to 'save' you?