[hamsters united]

[quote="Sgt Stryker":cb84c]
let's ban politicians!!!![/quote:cb84c]

uhuh......on that note i know where to start......

[Panzerman]

Originally Posted by r3mix

what are these good defensive use of guns?
from what i understand the major justification for owning a gun is so you can shoot and kill trespassers on your property. is that what we are talking about ? the number of people who got shot for trying to steal a VCR ?

Actually, it's not legal to shoot and kill someone for simply tresspassing. Generally (though there are exceptions - in my state you could legally kill a Mormon for tresspassing until fairly recently), the laws allow for the use of force to defend your property, and the use of lethal force in defense of individuals. Sniping some asshat that steps onto your property (and for no other reason) is murder. Beating some fool with a stick to prevent him from stealing your car is legal - shooting him is not. However, if someone forcibly enters your home, they can be automatically considered a threat to you or your family (even if they just want your VCR), and it's perfectly legal to use a firearm in that instance. I certainly wouldn't stop to ask an intruder in my home what he was up to. There's no obligation to suffer harm on behalf of an attacker here, and any other system is absurd, IMO.

Also, on that stat of defensive uses of firearms, the vast, vast majority of these simply involve drawing or brandishing a firearm to disuade a criminal. Gun deaths (legal, illegal, and accidents) are far below the number of people we lose to auto accidents each year.

Finally, the major justification for owning a gun here is for sporting/recreational purposes. I own a lot of guns, and only one of them is for defense - and it's a shotgun, not a handgun. Mostly, my guns punch holes in paper targets or smash little pieces of flying clay.

If I want to shoot people, I play Spearhead fire2:

Cheers,

Panzerman

BRAINSTORM ALERT!

maybe its not teh games that make people violent but violent games appeal to violent people. anyone ever think of this?

I was into war/action movies long before I started playing shooters.

[Punk_Bitch]

YES this game makes me wanna kill................EAGAMES for not making a good patch yet!

[hamsters united]

Originally Posted by Panzerman

Actually, it's not legal to shoot and kill someone for simply tresspassing. Generally (though there are exceptions - in my state you could legally kill a Mormon for tresspassing until fairly recently)

damn, seriously? what state is that?

anyway, getting back to the topic......anyone remember the protests when the first wolfenstein came out?

ahh....back in the days....