admins use cheat skins to spot cheaters easily. makes sense...ive played icb on many occasions.. never have i thought they cheated. who knows what really happened.. maybe they were cheating maybe they werent. or maybe they just had cheats in the game but didng want to use them.

True, if admins have the skins, it would be easier to detect them, but it would be purely judgemental, and any smart cheaters wouldnt show their cheating blatantly.

Yeah, But most cheaters are N00blets with an IQ of 5

[[ICB] Col.Sanders_Lt.Col]

Why is there not more control of "admins" and laddering groups to help keep it (cheating) to a minimum? It would require time, effort and a sense of honor and more direction other than "get a ss". Most cheats you can tell they are there by player behavior, but its difficult to get that "ss" that ultimately show the hack. How do you get a ss that show that no matter the approach, the target ALWAYS knows which way you are coming and never "missfires"? You cant. Assumptions are made and from what I have seen, its all in "who" you know...not the facts of the situation. And that is a shame. Not all facts are addressed and some are even misconstrued.

And we all know that "ss" can be corrupted, edited or plain out cheated on within themselves. So why is it the "only" way to prove someone cheats? There is no "ultimate" way to catch a cheater. But they dont allow scanners or any other method short of dump user (a waste of time due to ease of editablity) to catch cheaters. How does this promote fair game play?

To many peoples ego and life value is attached to playing a game. Many people think that coming into a match, server, game environment and using cheats makes them "big men/women". But what they dont take into account, and are probably not honorable enough to realize, is that THEY (the user) are NOT playing. The computer is playing for them. How is that a show of skills?

This is not to say that there are not very excellent players. There are and I bet they get accused of cheating all the time. I have seen them and even made the false accusations myself. But in studying and watching, you will pick out the "modified" player 95% of the time. They ALWAYS make a mistake that gives he/she away. You just have to be sharp and observant enough to catch it.

I enjoy playing with the people of superior skill. I learn from their tactics. And when I loose, I loose to a person who is better, not a person whose has more files or more edited files than I do.

No, I no longer ladder (prior to the unfortunate incident) because its frustrating to play when you know there is cheating going on and the "admins" blow you off. And since live is short and its just a game, I prefer to play with loyal clan and a countless few that play on our server with honor, and fun.

Thank you for your time
Colonel

"Keep it shiny side up and your right foot on the floor"

I dont see how having an _n after the skin name equals not cheating. Why wouldnt it be a stock skin name? That makes no sense at all.

[pest]

[quote="[JuGGeRnAuT]":54c18]I dont see how having an _n after the skin name equals not cheating. Why wouldnt it be a stock skin name? That makes no sense at all.[/quote:54c18]

What he is saying is that by using the skins with the _n after them he is using the stock version of his cheat skins. With that cheat installed, to use stock skins, you have to use the ones with a _n.

He is basically saying they were too dumb to remove the user_cheat.pk3 file from his main folder, or too dumb to go into the game using the undetectable skins. And I agree. They were too dumb. Why they would think that a ladder would allow them to go into a match with chameleon skins a keystroke away is beyond me. The sign that says no guns allowed in the airport does not mean you can bring one in if you promise not to use it.

[MPowell1944]

You all must realize that Juggernaut here is actual PAS from MPC. And PAS made a little menu called Brimstone which enables you to toggle between stock and cheat skins. And here he sits acting like nothing is wrong. hake:

Nothing is wrong. I dont feel guilty at all about making cheats. All the stuff Ive done has been done before, i just made it a little easier. I dont even play this game anymore, But i find myself consumed with making "things" for it (i also make skins) i dunno why.

I too thing it is wrong to cheat in matches, and this clan can't claim they wernt cheating, as they most likely were toggling back and forth, the dumpuser most likely just caught them on the clean skins.

What we most realize is that MPowell is Mpowell from MPC and he created a little thing called Tracer CHameleon skins, chameeleon skins that had a visual effect and override all stock skins so they arent touched by anti force models programs. Too bad they were an FPS whore. But you forgot that the skins in Brimstone arent effected by fog

BTW, Brimstone sucked, my new menu will be 8 times better.....

[MPowell1944]

Well I am going to keep this thread from going AWOL so I am just going to end off by saying this. Yes I MADE cheats. MADE being the keyword. The problem with you is that you are still MAKING them and you don't feel guilty about ruining the game.

Now that is over with. Lets keep it ontopic. biggrin:

The topic is cheating you moron

[MPowell1944]

Cheating yes. But lets keep it away from personal wars. Mmmkay. hake:

[EleCtriC]

wow....seems to me we got a couple of cheaters arguing bout who cheats the most...

you are either preganant or not guys, theres no half way house

you should both burn at the stake

M16:

[Pyro]

enough with the cheating threads

clans are worthless.

[MPowell1944]

Electric, try checking the facts before you open your mouth. oOo:

[Rott3n]

[quote=Druid]

Originally Posted by "=[ADS

= Tonez":b0200]ICB

As you can see their skins show an ( n ) behind the skin's name. IE:german_panzer_shutze_n From OCG testing of cheats we know this is a Chameleon skin that when turned OFF renames the default skins and adds the ( n ) to the name.

From cp site!

I don't know where you did your " extensive testing of cheats "
by my count there are 11 different sets of the chameleon skins floating around the net. NOT A SINGLE ONE will automaticlly put a _n after the name.

If someone can prove I'm wrong about a cameleon skin which places a _n when it off. Feel free to prove me wrong.
From what I know, it would be impossible for anything to change a model name on the fly while in the game. The only thing that could be done is switching to another model with another name.

If ICB got busted by a forced screenshot, fine thats one thing.
If ICB was only busted by someones elses screenshot of a dumbuser screen. To me thats not proof at all. It would only take an idiot a minute to doctor a dumpuser screenshot. You have to remember we are talking about simple text here, simple text is very easy to change.
For those of you who don't know, there was a team kicked of of TWL a long time ago for supposedly cheating. The only proof was a screenshot showing a dumpuser with non-default skins. In the end the team who got kicked for the non-stock skins was reinstated, after someone proved the dumpuser screen was fake. The person who faked the dumpuser screenshot made the mistake of using capital letters, while the real dumpuser only shows lower case.



BTW Mpowell.... check your pm's[/quote:b0200]

Looks like fusion's skin toggle's uses that "_n" this is taken from his script

// Hacked Skins
alias HG00 "dm_playermodel allied_airborne; dm_playergermanmodel german_afrika_officer"

// Normal Skin
alias NG00 "dm_playermodel allied_airborne_N; dm_playergermanmodel german_afrika_officer_N"

Hate to say it but i hope EA fixes sv_pure in the next patch. I will give up all my mods i download from this site for a nice clean game of mohaa