RIAA is coming for you. . . - Page 3

pest · 06-26-2003, 12:02 PM

[quote="ED! Ban #127":27688]And this only applies to the n00bs who dont know P2P exists beyond Kazaa and other COMMERCIAL FILE SHARES.[/quote:27688]

Sssshhhhhh....quiet, I like that buffer zone.

Tripper · 06-26-2003, 02:49 PM

Meh, I download.....But I don't share my downloads.... biggrin:

ED · 06-26-2003, 02:54 PM

Here's my post from another forum; it's more succint:

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In a story today, the RIAA has finally thrown that ultimate of gauntlets down on file sharers, and will now be personally going against the "major distributers" of P2P file-sharing. What does this mean? If you have a large deposit of music that you are sharing online, then you are going to be targeted for substantial lawsuits ranging up to 15000 a song.

To this I say - "Ha Ha - way to further shoot yourselves in the foot". The RIAA since day one has attempted to bully file-sharers and music users into accepting it's rules in regards to distributing and purchasing music. And now its telling those users who it WANTS to buy CD's that if they dont buy them the normal lucrative way, we will sue you into learning your lesson and buying our CD's. Yea. This has all the makings of a sure fire plan.

We all know the debate - it's stealing, its wrong, it takes money out of so-and-so's pockets. I agree with that. However, the RIAA has it's own self to blame. The average CD is now 17-18 bucks. CD's are NON Returnable. If you purchase a CD you think is cool, and it turns out that poppin single was the ONLY good song on the CD, you've just paid a cool 18 bucks for the pleasure of wearing out 3 minutes of music. Add to this the fact that most of the music released today is garbage, and you have a avery frustrated consumer that has no confidence in purchasing music the normal way, and taking that financial risk on whether or not something is going to be good.

So then you have NAPSTER, which during its heyday receives worldwide attention, and alerts the common man to the ability to share your favorite songs with other people. And of course the RIAA steps in and shuts that down. Does this stop file-sharing? Of course not. It empowers hundreds of programmers to create new, non-centralized music sharing that is easy to use, easy to navigate, and offers any song your heart could desire. So by killing it's "biggest foe", the RIAA creates dopplegangers, stronger and more powerful than its predecceser. Another great move.

So what we have is a large lobby group threatening your supposed consumer base, and challenging computer savvy folks out there to create better methods of hiding their online stashes (those that are in the know already have several options for this, and of course with Kazza being the most high-profile, it's this file sharing method that is being targeted).

This is a no-win situation for the RIAA and the recording industry. It'll win some battles and scare some folks away from file-sharing online. But in the long run, just another foolish move on their parts to further push them away from what the consumer wants..

Sergeant_Scrotum · 06-26-2003, 03:44 PM

[quote="Airborne Butters":63feb][quote="Office Depot":63feb]damnit schlass just STFU[/quote:63feb]

suck it nublin. I'd take Sclass over you anydays. HE plays DoD and isn't named after a godamn store...
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I dont know about you but i always go down to the local sclass on the weekends to do my shopping.

Drew · 06-26-2003, 04:09 PM

[quote="Eight Ace":552b5]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noctis

The FCC sent me a letter in the mail following the CARP ruling stating that I owed $52,840 and $3,780 per month afterwards in royalty fees or I could just shut down. Assholes.

tough call....so, which way did you decide to jump?[/quote:552b5]

I had to shut down. I don't have the time/knowledge to operate a radio station surviving by collecting advertising money. Oh well.

pest · 06-26-2003, 04:15 PM

So Ed, please tell me how pissing off the people that arent paying for your product are going to make them not pay even more? It sounds to me like they are only pissing off the people that are not paying already.

What the RIAA is hoping is that they can hit a few hundred big violators hard enough and public enough that they will get the more temid of the downloaders to stop and go back to buying music. They will also get the big file sharers to quit sharing and make the process of downloading enough of a chore that people will go back to buying.

Will it work? Dunno. Probably will help them a bit, but there will always be a way.

Will it backfire? I cant really see how. God forbid that I hurt the feelings of the shoplifter by calling the cops. He might not come back and buy anymore from us, because he stole it just to "test it out".

Please note - I make no reference to right or wrong. I dont care. But its kind of silly to say that they are hurting themselves by going after teh guys that are costing them tons of money. I dont care what a cd costs. When one option is free, the other option will always be too much.

ED · 06-26-2003, 04:42 PM

The problem is that file-sharing isn't seen as something tantamount (in the PUBLICS eye) as stealing a mink coat from Tiffany's. I would buy CD's if I didnd't get alot of it online. I still buy CD's that I know are of good quality (Deftones, Radiohead, Audioslave being recent purchases).

The point I was trying to make, is if you shut down one avenue, that's not a garuntee that folks will say "ah fuck it" and start buying as much as they were downloading. It's not gonna happen. If it DOES happen, then I will be incredibly suprised.

And I will be the first person to say that if someone is downloading music that is copyright protected then they deserve to face the penalties. RIAA has every right to do this. However I question the thought-process in going after 61-year old Marth Howard with 500 songs littered on her hard drive for the world to see.

Add to the fact that you're going to have make sure that the content downloaded DOES violate copyright issues, and the RIAA has an uphill battle, not the consumer.

Arkan · 06-26-2003, 08:40 PM

I laughed when i 1st heard the news about this. Are these people serious? This is more than an uphill battle for the RIAA. Go ahead and shut down all those P2P servers....you'll never stop the bleeding.

Innoxx · 06-26-2003, 08:41 PM

Yeah, if they shut down Morpheus and Kazaa more PSP proggies will pop up. File sharing is like drugs; it'll never go away.

Bucknub · 06-26-2003, 08:50 PM

and I just realized there was a thread about this.. and I posted one of my own... oOo:

Infernal_ · 06-26-2003, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sclass12

you muist love X-MEN2

dont be dissin` x-men 2 i have it on VCD. i have watched it like 5 times over and over. cant beat watching a unreleased movie in dvd quality on your PC.

O71394658 · 06-26-2003, 10:06 PM

To offer some personal experience, I have bought A LOT more CDs since the "file-sharing" days began. I just disagree on the fact that the RIAA is putting the sole blame on "file-swapping". I agree it's illegal. It's more of a guilty pleasure that everybody seems to have taken for granted. But, it will never go away. Many people feel that since CD prices are inflated, they have the unwritten "right" to download music. The RIAA, despite intentions to stop this, simply can't. This is a behemoth that will not go away. The RIAA is directly attacking the American consumer, in essence biting the hand that feeds it. The technology is too great. My brother only takes DLs from 1 user on Flash FXP, who literally downloads every rock/emo/metal album and movie, who my brother leeches off of. The DLs aren't put on a "database" like Kazaa, but are simply put on a simple, "comp-to-comp" program.

I do have another question. I don't know if I'm right (probably not) but wouldn't Kazaa or the RIAA be violating the "right to privacy" in taking I.P addresses off of the Internet? Couldn't someone file suit with the Internet companies who guarentee your privacy is kept secret?

1080jibber · 06-26-2003, 11:36 PM

i will never pay for music!!!!!!!

*spam*

ED · 06-27-2003, 10:06 AM

[quote:8c942]I do have another question. I don't know if I'm right (probably not) but wouldn't Kazaa or the RIAA be violating the "right to privacy" in taking I.P addresses off of the Internet? Couldn't someone file suit with the Internet companies who guarentee your privacy is kept secret?[/quote:8c942]

They'll argue that when youre aware of a crime being committed that you have an obligation to report it. Having said that, I cant see many of the bigger ISP's being bullied into releasing names, and this shit'll get tied up in the courts. It will get to the Supreme Court.

And they wont be able to go after the P2P's (if Kazzaa wins the appeal; theyve already won in being told that they aren't responsible for how users use their programs), so yes the P2P's will continue to grow and become available for those folks who file share that way.