More political incorrectness - Page 3

Tripper · 11-26-2003, 04:56 PM

[quote="{TRC}ZenMaster":cbdd3]BTW ,

Drop the OWNT and GG crap Tripper , Im an adult and childish antics dont impress me. Use some respect. I dont end my responces that way , I offer you your oppion with no desire to discredit you. That is the standing of an adult. I can respond to your questions and responces without being a child.

Can you do that?[/quote:cbdd3]

Wow, you turned out to be a right prick. What an adult you are, I think this is just a bitter response to the fact that I did prove you wrong. It REALLY seems that way. Deny it all you want.

Now, I bet you're going to come up with some response, such as "Just as I expected" or some tripe like that, to make you feel better about being proved wrong. Some kind of last ditch effort to get the better of me.

Go ahead.

BTW - Your grammar is fucking hideous, you should work on that.

Pyro · 11-26-2003, 04:58 PM

crack goes down smooth

Bean 2 · 11-26-2003, 05:16 PM

[quote="{TRC}ZenMaster":de31c]There is no way Im gonna sit here and type a damn chapter of history on the American Civil War.

Look its simple.....

The confederate flag , dispite being used by some as a symbol of slavery and racism , has the heritage of those who faught for it in the civil war.

Now if you have the impression the civil war began , was faught , or ended because of slavery you are mistaken.

This has nothing to do with Germany or the nazi party.

I find that most people of forien nations have no real clue about American History , exept what they have seen at the movie theaters.
Which for the most part is completely false , and is made for the simple desire to make a profitable film.

This would be like me commenting on the the Revolution of a forien country , because I saw a film about it.[/quote:de31c]

A kind of agree and disagree with u. I mean there were men that fought and died for nazi germany but that doesnt mean that the regime was honorable and that the men that believed in it were rightous and deserved to be remembered. But on the other hand the war really wasnt fought over slavery. It truely started over seccession, although slavery had much to do with the seccession, but Lincoln did not want to proclaim that the war would free slaves because he might lose support from the middle states. And just because the North did not support slavery doesnt mean life was an easier for blacks in the North then it was for them in the South. They were still forced to work minial jobs in unsafe conditions. Plus the fact most southerners didnt even own slaves. The south was run more like an oligarchy in which there was an elite class of wealthy landowners who owned many slaves, who controlled the South. Many of the middle class and poor didnt even own slaves.

Eames · 11-26-2003, 05:21 PM

[quote=Tripper]

Quote:

Originally Posted by "Cpl. Eames":78e40

the flag represents their heritage and their sacrafice, and shouldn't be desecrated...because men died defending it.

.....You could say exactly the same thing about the Swastika. rolleyes:

Junior, leave the arguing to people with worthwhile points. happy:[/quote:78e40]

tripper, you really dont understand it do you...imagine your grand father fought in a war because he was defending new zealands rights against austrailia who was trying to impose her will on your population, it was a terrible war that pitted families against families, lasted 4 brutal years where more new zealenders died then all of the others previously fought put together, and in the end because austrailia was bigger and had a bigger population you were finally over whelmed because your population had ran out of males between the age of 18-35. Now imagine being told by an austrailian who just conquered your country that you cant have a new zealend flag hanging at the soldiers cemetery because it offended him, and that even though you were flying the austrailian flag over your local legislative building and a new zealand flag flying under neath it...that you had to take down the flag that represented your country again because it offended an austrailian, and even though the austrailians promised you "the freedom of expression" your told to take it down because it offends a small minority of the population, how would you feel?

As for the confederate flag being the same as the swastika, in some ways it is, soldiers fought and died under both of them, the only diference being that the nazi flag represented a political party and an idealogy, the confederate flag represented a nation, that was trying to defend its culture and way of life from an opressive north who was trying to force their since of right and wrong onto the south, the fact of the matter is it shouldn't matter what the flag represents...because in the united states we have the first amendment...and if you don't like what something says and or displays...DONT LOOK AT IT!

11-26-2003, 07:14 PM

Tripper ,

I'm sorry if my grammer disturbs you , I type as I would speak.

The American Civil War is in my familly , as with many other wars.

I'm not trying to be a prick man , I'm simply trying to explain my view in such a way as to help you understand it.
I'm also trying to be as considerate and polite as possible. All reserch I have done on the subject has been of my own investigation and the handed down words of those who were there.

Dont get upset with me because I dont think you are acting like an adult , it has nothing to do with what we were talking about.

Pachabel · 11-26-2003, 07:25 PM

My grandad fought for the 2nd Fallschirmjager Division from 1942-1944. He fought for Germany, many people have died for the Reich and Hitler. Yet I, or my grandad wouldn't be caught dead waving the swastika around. Yes, The Third Reich brought Germany out of depression, and instilled nationalism, but look how that went. In my eyes, the confederate flag is just as bad as the Reichstag and anybody who waves it proudly needs to be reminded how much and of easily led peon he is.

Short Hand · 11-26-2003, 07:28 PM

Score one for inny.

Eames · 11-26-2003, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pachabel

My grandad fought for the 2nd Fallschirmjager Division from 1942-1944. He fought for Germany, many people have died for the Reich and Hitler. Yet I, or my grandad wouldn't be caught dead waving the swastika around. Yes, The Third Reich brought Germany out of depression, and instilled nationalism, but look how that went. In my eyes, the confederate flag is just as bad as the Reichstag and anybody who waves it proudly needs to be reminded how much and of easily led peon he is.

It doesnt matter whether or not YOU think its apropriate or not, we have the right to display any flag we want under the first amendment and the only reason people dont see the unconstituinality of trying to censor this right is the brainwashing you have recieved from the politicly correct elitist media, leave people alone to do what they want to do, if they wanna hang up their confederate flag to bad if it offends some liberal yankee black person in new york, because censorship is double bladed sword, what would they start censoring next? hmm maybe their gagnster rap music that promotes killing cops and using drugs, that could be considered quite offensive by some, including me...but im not crying for it to be stopped and censored, so stop crying about southerners displaying their confederate flags, we tried to explain the reason why we display the flags but obviously most of you dont understand, hopefully now you understand how displaying the flag is protected under the constitution.

11-26-2003, 07:49 PM

Ok guys ,

My last post on this tread....

The Confederate flag is nothing like the swastika. The southerners did not gather slaves by the millions and slaughter them. They in no way faught to gain lands or conquer the world.

The Confederate states faught for their rights against oppression. They lost , but they also won because of the unity developed after the civil war.

I am in no way offended by the flag , simply because it has its meaning to me and my familly. I dont think it should be banned.

Its like this , Im native American on my mothers side. I am not offended by Thanksgiving.

I dont think people should get so upset when the confederate flag is flown.
I dont think people should be upset about the names of componates of a computer , ect , ect.

To some the flag represents evil , To others it represents Honor.
Each to there own opinion , I have stated mine.

One last thing. I hold no ill will to those who do not agree with me , we all have our reasons for our views. I only ask that we are adult enought to respect each others opinions and not start a stupid flame war that shadows our discussion with inmaturity.

I can understand your view points. I can see the relevance of the comparison between the flag and swastika. Though I do not agree , I still see your point.

Merlin122 · 11-26-2003, 07:55 PM

ppl have WAYYYYY tooo much time on their hands. theres always one person in the crowd that will complain about it :/ .

Short Hand · 11-26-2003, 07:57 PM

Cpl. Eames = Racist.

Merlin122 · 11-26-2003, 07:59 PM

[quote="Short Hand":141ac]Cpl. Eames = Racist.[/quote:141ac]

really? i didnt notice.....

Eames · 11-26-2003, 08:21 PM

[quote="Short Hand":f45db]Cpl. Eames = Racist.[/quote:f45db]

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i think i already addressed this, Im not a racist you morons.

Short Hand · 11-26-2003, 09:03 PM

Then you as ignorant as fuck ?

Eames · 11-26-2003, 09:31 PM

[quote="Short Hand":a843f]Then you as ignorant as fuck ?[/quote:a843f]

How am I ignorant? Beacuse I don't have the same liberal ideals that you do, I have backed up everything I have said with solid facts, and just like ive said before you have to resort to personal insults at me because you can't argue the issues and your views effectivly, maybe we should revaluate who the ignorant one here really is...

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