Affirmative Action... - Page 3

Wilko · 02-02-2004, 05:37 AM

[quote="Infernal_":928f9]against they should be hired due to skill not race[/quote:928f9]
Precisely. This "Affirmative Action" seems like political correctness taken to the furthest degree. Logically, you should employ the person best suited to the job, regardless of the variables, such as race. Infact, as long as fucking illogical rules like this exist, Race will always be an issue. The sooner any rules pertaining specifically to race are abolished, the better, In my opinion.

Old Reliable · 02-02-2004, 07:53 AM

[quote="Airborne Butters":86cd3]I'm personally against it due to the fact that my freind who got Valedictorian for our class couldn't get a scholarship to UCLA because of it.[/quote:86cd3]

your school sucks then

bwolf · 02-02-2004, 11:59 AM

[quote="Old Reliable":23fa5][quote="Airborne Butters":23fa5]I'm personally against it due to the fact that my freind who got Valedictorian for our class couldn't get a scholarship to UCLA because of it.[/quote:23fa5]

your school sucks then[/quote:23fa5]
you're ignorant

bwolf · 02-02-2004, 12:03 PM

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I like the way people blame affirmative action when they get rejected for a job or a scholarship when they probably have no evidence that says thats the reason. rolleyes:

do you know these people? or are you just saying some random crap because you think some people may have no proof and blame affirmitave action? my roommate this year got rejected from uva and some black girl got in... he had higher SAT scores (1460) better gpa and was in more clubs.... so he called and they sent him his point mark up.... he got 0 points for race (he would have gotten 25 if he was black) and only 12 for his SAT score.... being black was twice as good as having good sat scores.... schools can send you how the evaluate applicants.... do some research

Chango · 02-02-2004, 05:39 PM

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I like the way people blame affirmative action when they get rejected for a job or a scholarship when they probably have no evidence that says thats the reason. rolleyes:

do you know these people? or are you just saying some random crap because you think some people may have no proof and blame affirmitave action? my roommate this year got rejected from uva and some black girl got in... he had higher SAT scores (1460) better gpa and was in more clubs.... so he called and they sent him his point mark up.... he got 0 points for race (he would have gotten 25 if he was black) and only 12 for his SAT score.... being black was twice as good as having good sat scores.... schools can send you how the evaluate applicants.... do some research

There was a reason that I said probably, so uva gave your roommate the black girl's sat scores, gpa and what clubs she was in? or are you just assuming that she was less qualified because she was black?

My point was that people are using it as a scapegoat for their personal problems when most of the time they are only assuming thats the reason they were turned down. While obviously some places take affirmative action too far and some places misuse it, it's still partially necessary. Believe it or not some people would still refuse to hire someone just because they are a minority or a woman. hell some of the people that posted in this thread seem to be borderline racists, but I wont name anyone. rolleyes:

Unknown_Sniper · 02-02-2004, 05:46 PM

Strongly against. And this is coming from someone who goes to a school with 4 black kids in it and maybe like 5 hispanics. everyone else is white. The school I want to go to up near canada isnt that racially mixed but I dont care. I stull believe AA is reverse racism. it should go away.

bwolf · 02-02-2004, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chango

I like the way people blame affirmative action when they get rejected for a job or a scholarship when they probably have no evidence that says thats the reason. rolleyes:

do you know these people? or are you just saying some random crap because you think some people may have no proof and blame affirmitave action? my roommate this year got rejected from uva and some black girl got in... he had higher SAT scores (1460) better gpa and was in more clubs.... so he called and they sent him his point mark up.... he got 0 points for race (he would have gotten 25 if he was black) and only 12 for his SAT score.... being black was twice as good as having good sat scores.... schools can send you how the evaluate applicants.... do some research

There was a reason that I said probably, so uva gave your roommate the black girl's sat scores, gpa and what clubs she was in? or are you just assuming that she was less qualified because she was black?

My point was that people are using it as a scapegoat for their personal problems when most of the time they are only assuming thats the reason they were turned down. While obviously some places take affirmative action too far and some places misuse it, it's still partially necessary. Believe it or not some people would still refuse to hire someone just because they are a minority or a woman. hell some of the people that posted in this thread seem to be borderline racists, but I wont name anyone. rolleyes:

no... my roommate knew the black girl and was friends with her, so he already knew her grades and clubs and whatnot... and all i'm saying is you are assuming people use it as a scapegoat just as much as people may assume affirmative action is at fault. i agree it is ad that some places are still sexist and/or racist, much like some of the aa members seem to be

Chango · 02-02-2004, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bwolf

no... my roommate knew the black girl and was friends with her, so he already knew her grades and clubs and whatnot... and all i'm saying is you are assuming people use it as a scapegoat just as much as people may assume affirmative action is at fault. i agree it is ad that some places are still sexist and/or racist, much like some of the aa members seem to be

Ok, though it is interesting that you said "some black girl" rather than "a black girl my friend knows."

And if you think about it, someone personally knowing the person that was hired/accepted because of affirmative action is much rarer than someone assuming they weren't accepted because of it. Or maybe i'm annoyed with the people that assumed that I got accepted to UM because I was black rather than my high gpa or my high sat score

And why does everyone always bring up reparations at these topics? That has nothing to do with this at all.

Zap. USMC · 02-02-2004, 06:39 PM

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And why does everyone always bring up reparations at these topics? That has nothing to do with this at all.

Then please explain what affirmative action is all about, Chango.

bwolf · 02-02-2004, 06:57 PM

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no... my roommate knew the black girl and was friends with her, so he already knew her grades and clubs and whatnot... and all i'm saying is you are assuming people use it as a scapegoat just as much as people may assume affirmative action is at fault. i agree it is ad that some places are still sexist and/or racist, much like some of the aa members seem to be

Ok, though it is interesting that you said "some black girl" rather than "a black girl my friend knows."

And if you think about it, someone personally knowing the person that was hired/accepted because of affirmative action is much rarer than someone assuming they weren't accepted because of it. Or maybe i'm annoyed with the people that assumed that I got accepted to UM because I was black rather than my high gpa or my high sat score

And why does everyone always bring up reparations at these topics? That has nothing to do with this at all.

yeah, i should have made that more clear in my initial post... and i know it is rare, but i'm just saying that whenever someone gets accepted due to affirmative action, someone else gets rejected because of it. and i agree, it has very little to do with reperations.

Chango · 02-02-2004, 08:39 PM

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And why does everyone always bring up reparations at these topics? That has nothing to do with this at all.

Then please explain what affirmative action is all about, Chango.[/quote:94e5e]

Oh, it's you.

Affirmative Action was started during the civil rights movement to prevent anyone from being discriminated against or denied benefits based on race, color or origin from any activity or program or job that recieves government funding. This was expanded to include women and religion. And it was left up to the activities or programs or jobs to decide how to accomplish this.

That is what affirmative action is about, while the idea of reparations is to have the government make up for it's support of slavery and the treatment of former slaves after the civil war (eg. jim crow laws, false promise of land, etc...)

I guess you could argue that both are because of the post-civil war treatment of former slaves, but thats about all of the connection that you could get.

What's your explanation of affirmative action and how it relates to reparations? And please don't just say "it's these lazy scumbag "colors" whining about how they can't get a job" like i'm sure you're tempted to do.

General Cobra · 02-02-2004, 08:59 PM

I think against wins.

Old Reliable · 02-02-2004, 09:18 PM

[quote=bwolf][quote="Old Reliable":aa785]

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I'm personally against it due to the fact that my freind who got Valedictorian for our class couldn't get a scholarship to UCLA because of it.

your school sucks then[/quote:aa785]
you're ignorant[/quote:aa785]

nein, usually a valedictorian from a good school can go anywhere rolleyes:

Old Reliable · 02-02-2004, 09:20 PM

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no... my roommate knew the black girl and was friends with her, so he already knew her grades and clubs and whatnot... and all i'm saying is you are assuming people use it as a scapegoat just as much as people may assume affirmative action is at fault. i agree it is ad that some places are still sexist and/or racist, much like some of the aa members seem to be

Ok, though it is interesting that you said "some black girl" rather than "a black girl my friend knows."

And if you think about it, someone personally knowing the person that was hired/accepted because of affirmative action is much rarer than someone assuming they weren't accepted because of it. Or maybe i'm annoyed with the people that assumed that I got accepted to UM because I was black rather than my high gpa or my high sat score

And why does everyone always bring up reparations at these topics? That has nothing to do with this at all.

yeah, i should have made that more clear in my initial post... and i know it is rare, but i'm just saying that whenever someone gets accepted due to affirmative action, someone else gets rejected because of it. and i agree, it has very little to do with reperations.

UMMM HELLO........this is what happens even without affirmative action. someone gets accepted and another guy loses out...this is just what happens! You're just angry because theres a chance you would lose out to a black or hispanic and not another white man, is this the truth? people dont seem to understand this rolleyes:

Old Reliable · 02-02-2004, 09:22 PM

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":c79ac]Strongly against. And this is coming from someone who goes to a school with 4 black kids in it and maybe like 5 hispanics. everyone else is white. The school I want to go to up near canada isnt that racially mixed but I dont care. I stull believe AA is reverse racism. it should go away.[/quote:c79ac]

oh, and if you are against it, what is your plan for a different type of hiring process that doesn't discriminate?