[Snuff]

not saying they wouldn't, but that was what he was faced with upon taking office and it did effect events during his tenure. Yes the guy had his faults, but he did some very good things also in a time when the nation needed to restore confidence in itself. Same as FDR getting the country back on its feet prior to world war II, but we can also thank him for our out of control welfare syatem today.

[MotoxXx]

Originally Posted by maple

canada is on top happy:

Some people prefer their bitches on top.

[Short Hand]

Originally Posted by Hogman74

not saying they wouldn't, but that was what he was faced with upon taking office and it did effect events during his tenure. Yes the guy had his faults, but he did some very good things also in a time when the nation needed to restore confidence in itself. Same as FDR getting the country back on its feet prior to world war II, but we can also thank him for our out of control welfare syatem today.

Still look at what he did. The faults at which he had were in comparision quite large and destructive, The Contra's in Nicuiraga(mind my spelling) were brutal bucthers and the man compares them to your founding fathers. I just hate to see everyone praise this man when the truth is he was a D class president not a A. may he rest in peace but he deserves no glorification what so ever.

[TGB!]

Opps I didnt make my point too well:

Heres the point I was trying to make: the grant system was/is a mess. Its such a mess that much like other areas of gov you'd rather leave it in place than move a piece and watch the whole thing tumble down. Nixon tried to reform and create a new federal government by easing up on grant-in-aids which are used for a VERY SPECEFIC thing - such as requiring a state to buy a certain text book, and instead focused on block grants which allow much more broader use. Reagan, by easing up on GIA's said "gov is too large, heres the money, do as the framers intended and manage your states with our support".

Oh and Clinton ended one of the longest standing entitlement programs. What a guy.

[Drew]

Go to work and choke on a dick, Short Hand. The man is dead, and just like anyone who dies, people try to remember the good things about their life, not the bad. So instead of throwing shit on the man's memory, why don't you just keep your bleeding-heart bullshit to your group of circle-jerking hippy friends. Thanks.

[Maplegyver]

Originally Posted by MrLevinstein

Of what? Breakfast sausage production?

maples breakfast sausage recipe



sausage

maplesyryp


make sausages

engulf with syrup

eat

[Miscguy]

At what point will this be locked? Its nothing but everyone telling this man that its a one sided argument presented. Then him lashing out saying, "yeah well you're a blind fool for not seeing he was satan like the two articles say". Its not even a debate, point and counter point, its just someone putting there fingers in there ears and going "la la la la la la la la, im not listening, la la la la la la"


Destroy it before its insanity grows beyond control.

[Maplegyver]

[quote="_-=WB=-_ MotoxXx":4baa6]

Originally Posted by maple

canada is on top happy:

Some people prefer their bitches on top.[/quote:4baa6]


really? would you know this from rough anal sex with your man friend/father? so i guess you would be on top

[TGB!]

No reason to lock it as yet.

[BlackJackal]

Originally Posted by Noctis

This is typical, partisan-biased bullshit.

yup

[Snuff]

[quote="Short Hand":37499]

Originally Posted by Hogman74

not saying they wouldn't, but that was what he was faced with upon taking office and it did effect events during his tenure. Yes the guy had his faults, but he did some very good things also in a time when the nation needed to restore confidence in itself. Same as FDR getting the country back on its feet prior to world war II, but we can also thank him for our out of control welfare syatem today.

Still look at what he did. The faults at which he had were in comparision quite large and destructive, The Contra's in Nicuiraga(mind my spelling) were brutal bucthers and the man compares them to your founding fathers. I just hate to see everyone praise this man when the truth is he was a D class president not a A. may he rest in peace but he deserves no glorification what so ever.[/quote:37499]

I hardly think that he was more destructive than good.
Those were much more complex issues than you making them out to be. None of us have all the facts about them even today. Correct me if I am wrong, but were you even old enough to rember Reagan? What makes you qualified to rate him as a president in the first place. You don't live iin the U.S., so how could you truely appreciate anything he did good or bad? It seems to me that you are just regurgitating some partisan rhetoric that you have read on the internet.

[MotoxXx]

[quote=maple]

Originally Posted by "_-=WB=-_ MotoxXx":93f0b

Some people prefer their bitches on top.

really? would you know this from rough anal sex with your man friend/father? so i guess you would be on top[/quote:93f0b]

no I learned it from your grandmother biggrin:

[Chappy]

this thread started by the man who thinks Michael Moore's work would have a profound effect on America. Reagan stays in the sig.

[Himmler]

i dont really care about him or what he did since im canadian.


[quote="article on ronnie":421f3]Ronnie Reagan tried to tell poor people that ketchup was a vegetable. [/quote:421f3]

rofl.

[Colonel]

Well, I read your article, and I have to agree that it is totally slanted and a gross misrepresentation of what happened during the Reagan years. For those of you who were not old enough to have been out of school and working during those years, please don't believe misrepresentations like those found in this article. Is any President perfect? No. But it chaps my butt when folks bend the truth to further their agenda. Keep in mind that I voted for President Carter when he ran against Ronald Reagan. Here are my thoughts on this article:

1) the AIDS issue - AIDS took us all by surprise when it first was discovered. Nobody realized the seriousness of it for several years. Is it the President's job to cure the disease? No. Did he increase funding once they realized what was going on ? Yes. To blame President Reagan for not acting faster is the same as blaming New York firefighters for not having evacuated Tower Two faster on 9/11. Hindsight is always 20/20. We would all do things differently if given a second chance, but I believe that folks are doing the best job they can, with the information available, at the moment of decision.

2) Reagan created the homeless problem - that is such a stupid statement that I hate to even reply to it. When President Regan took office, interest rates had been over 20%. Folks were getting their houses foreclosed on because they couldn't make the payments with the rates so high. The source article that is referenced says, "Before Reagan, people sleeping in the street were so rare that, outside of skid rows, they were almost a curiosity." That's the dumbest statement yet. It's just not true.

3) "Ronnie Reagan pillaged the U.S. Treasury and ballooned the deficit more than 100 percent during his term. He gave the wealthy enormous tax breaks " - The fact is that President Reagan's economy increased revenues to the Federal Treasury more than any President in history. Congress spends the money. The problem was, that even though revenues increased, Congress increased spending at an even faster pace. It was like a feeding frenzy. Those bastitches had never seen that much money rolling in and they couldn't control their urges to spend, spend, spend. As for giving the wealthy tax breaks, I wish the left would make up their mind. I have read liberal commentators lately that are trying to say that President Reagan;s tax cuts were a myth because he closed so many loopholes, in capital gains etc. that people actually paid more. How can they say that and then turn around and say he gave too many cuts to the rich? Sounds to me like they are talking out of both sides of their mouths. As for me, during most of those years I made less than $20,000 per year. Definitely not rich. And I got a tax cut.

4) Deregulation unleashed corporate America on the populace - being a supporter of President Carter I am proud of the fact that he was the one to start the trend toward deregulation...not President Reagan. The competition that President Carter started and President Reagan continued, was one of the driving forces that turned this country's economy around. You kids have never had to live through 10%+ inflation rates and 20%+ interest. Don't go badmouthing changes that were made during desperate times unless you have lived through them and did a better job at correcting the problem.

aw crap, I'm too tired to write about every paragraph in this article. The dang thing was obviously written by someone with an ax to grind and who is willing to bend the truth to grind it.