[Maplegyver]

fighting palestinian millita.

[Trunks]

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":0c684]israel has not always been the defending country. BAck in the day ther ewas a thing called I believe the 7 days war. In this war israel carried out extremely accurate, and devestating attaacks on certain locations throughout hte middle east. Their airforce is to date the only known military power to have ever directly attacked and damged a nuclrear power plant(In egypt) and then taken out all of the sorrounding countries major military strengths. And they even destroyed one US spy ship in the mediteranian becuase they thought it was an attack ship. Why did Israel do this? because Jordan, egypt, and a bunch of the otehr major powers in the 70's were planning and in the pre war stages of a full scale invasion of israel. last I check Israel was still there. that says something about them.[/quote:0c684]first of all, I am pretty sure it was the 6 day war. Secon of all, in the six day war, as in the yom kippur war, israel was attacked on first and then and only then, it retaliated and won both conflicts. What people dont seem to realize is that israel has the most humanitarian military forces in the world, and people sh-t all over israel all the time for killing "innocent" palestinian civilians, but if somebody said that about the US killing innocent iraqi civilains then that person would be public enemy #1.

strvs- I didnt read the entire article, but I got the gist if it and when I get a chance I will read the entire thing, however, for now I would like to say that all countries do what they need to do in the pursuit of their political interests. That my friend is the bitter truth. As for involvment in the attacks, there are many theories as to how the attacks occured, some include the US itself causing them. So for right now, all this is to me is another theory/rumor.

[strvs]

Aside from the 9/11 claims, almost all of the "false flags" israel have used have been found out. It isnt a "theory" my friend, its fact.

One of the latest incidents:
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2005/02/fa ... ttack.html

Israel is on no moral high ground. The country practices apartheid and racism, but hides it very well. The extent of this attitude is appaling, to the point that non-jews can't even be buried with jews.

Human rights issues plague the area. Isreal believes that slavery and the buying and selling of human beings is not a criminal offence. Their practices of stealing palestine land is also sickening. Using a 55 year old law to gain control over "unoccupied land", which means, if you leave your farm, you better get back quick, or it's israels land now.

The apartheid wall in the west bank seperates farmers from their land, which is quickly siezed by israel. lets all feel sorry for israel.

I suggest you read into israels atrocitys, and then decide for yourself whether or not they're the "defender"

I certainly dont think the encirclement of East Jerusalem is an act of defense.

[Unknown_Sniper]

[quote=Trunks]

Originally Posted by "Unknown_Sniper":17488

israel has not always been the defending country. BAck in the day ther ewas a thing called I believe the 7 days war. In this war israel carried out extremely accurate, and devestating attaacks on certain locations throughout hte middle east. Their airforce is to date the only known military power to have ever directly attacked and damged a nuclrear power plant(In egypt) and then taken out all of the sorrounding countries major military strengths. And they even destroyed one US spy ship in the mediteranian becuase they thought it was an attack ship. Why did Israel do this? because Jordan, egypt, and a bunch of the otehr major powers in the 70's were planning and in the pre war stages of a full scale invasion of israel. last I check Israel was still there. that says something about them.

first of all, I am pretty sure it was the 6 day war. Secon of all, in the six day war, as in the yom kippur war, israel was attacked on first and then and only then, it retaliated and won both conflicts. What people dont seem to realize is that israel has the most humanitarian military forces in the world, and people sh-t all over israel all the time for killing "innocent" palestinian civilians, but if somebody said that about the US killing innocent iraqi civilains then that person would be public enemy #1.
.[/quote:17488]

I didnt exactly have the time ot go find an article about it however than you for correcting my mistake of it being the 6 day war. everything else I said still goes though so I hope you arent trying to attack me in that.

[Trunks]

hehe, u make me laugh. And racism isnt practiced in America, or France, or britain? It is everywhere. Whether it is as bad as you say in Israel I doubt, because I have quite a bit of family living there. The bit about slavery is, pure bull sh-t.(not trying to offend you, just calling them as i see them). And i maintain that in all armed conflicts between nations, Israel is always the defender. If you dont believe me, then look it up. And for every time that Israel fakes an attack, I am sure that there are 100 real incidents. Of course I must admit me being a jew and having family there makes me a bit biased, but i dont just come up with the things I say from the top of my head, If I say it I am pretty sure that its true.

[strvs]

how do i make you laugh? you being convinced that israel has never once in history been the agressor makes me think you don't know too much.

Everything i say can be backed up by a source, im just not too keen on searching for a relevant article for everything i say. Give me time, and i can come up with severable reliable sources for everything i have said so far. To simply make this shit up would be ludicrous.

[Merlin122]

Originally Posted by Trunks

hehe, u make me laugh. And racism isnt practiced in America, or France, or britain? It is everywhere. Whether it is as bad as you say in Israel I doubt, because I have quite a bit of family living there. The bit about slavery is, pure bull sh-t.(not trying to offend you, just calling them as i see them). And i maintain that in all armed conflicts between nations, Israel is always the defender. If you dont believe me, then look it up. And for every time that Israel fakes an attack, I am sure that there are 100 real incidents. Of course I must admit me being a jew and having family there makes me a bit biased, but i dont just come up with the things I say from the top of my head, If I say it I am pretty sure that its true.

racism is practiced constantly in the U.S. you just don't see it directly. Corporations hide wage gouges from the public easily for africans americans or general minorities. You have a lot to learn, kid.

[Trunks]

im sorry if I offended you. But every since Israel was established in 1948, all the wars it particpated in was only because it was attacked first, and i will prove it. Ah I found it. This site shows all the wars and gives a little bit of info about them. I was a bit off as it seems that israel did attack in some of them, but If you look into the summary of those wars you will see y Israel reacted the way it did.
http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html
EDIT: Umm, merlin, I was being sarcastic...

[Maplegyver]

1.canada

[strvs]

Originally Posted by Trunks

im sorry if I offended you. But every since Israel was established in 1948, all the wars it particpated in was only because it was attacked first, and i will prove it. Ah I found it. This site shows all the wars and gives a little bit of info about them. I was a bit off as it seems that israel did attack in some of them, but If you look into the summary of those wars you will see y Israel reacted the way it did.
http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html
EDIT: Umm, merlin, I was being sarcastic...

Why do you think the arab nations attacked with such force? just because? israel got their way into that land through the help of britian, without their help they may have very well started a war to gain land within palestine.

[Trunks]

Originally Posted by strvs

Why do you think the arab nations attacked with such force? just because?

they attacked I am assuming because they have always been enemies with jews etc, and they were very against the jews having their own country, and wanted to bring them down in any way possible. Of course there may be some deeper down reason in there but that is the most probable one.

[strvs]

The jews did nothing to reconsile with the arabs. they knew very well that the arabs disliked them, yet they hastily installed a jewish nation. Now, any fool can see this is probably going to start a war.

[Pyro]

Originally Posted by Trunks

Pyro, I dont know what sh-t youve been hearing but let me clear things up for you.
1) We arent affraid of powerful/large militaries, we are afraid of WMD's.
2) Israel is our only ally in the middle east so it would do us some good if it were a force to be rackoned with.
3) They werent at fault for any wars. In all the wars faught against Israel, including the conflict with paestinians, (whom I might add blow up themselves, run away, andd use women and children as human shields), Israel was always the one defending, and therefore it has never been the agressor.

Then fuck I guess we can consider the American Revolution terrorism then.

[Trunks]

The arabs have always hated them. Y just not make a jewish nation? Well it could have to do with the fact that the jews were almost annihilated off the face of this earth! The jews were given useless desert land, and through hard work and determination they transformed it into an inhabitable place. The arabs were jealous, and that coupled with previous hatred lead them to attack. And pyro, actually, the American Revolution had a huge amount of terrorism. Mainly American militia men and even the regular army using unconventional guerilla style warfare. It all depends on your perspective. In the eyes of the british they were terrorists, but in the eyes of the americans they were heroes and freedom fighters. Same thing for Iraq. In our eyes they are insurgents and rebels, but in their eyes they are holy warriors, and freedom fighters.

[strvs]

That dosent prove me wrong. Who couldnt forsee a jewish-arab war after the inception of israel deep in arab occupied land? really. this could be considered an act of aggression on the jewish part, although it may not be the traditional definition.