Hick tries to trade another hick a (loaded) gun for an xbox - Page 3

Pyro · 04-05-2005, 09:08 AM

[quote=Miscguy]

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Originally Posted by "Short Hand":5caf8

no thats the fucking law. No assuming within the logic. your drunk, your in a car.You plan on driving. You put a gun in your backpack, you plan on doing something with it.

You just assumed i was going to drive. Can you read my mind? Perhaps i just got home, im just sitting in my car cause im to drunk to stagger in. You didnt catch me on the road, nothing says you should be able to bust me sitting in my driveway. Burdon of proof would be a bitch on this one.

"well we stopped the subject while he was drinking in his car in his driveway... he was going to go somewhere i could feel it" "i could see the keys in his pocket with my X-ray vision."

Maybe im installing a new stereo and its being a bitch so im having a beer to calm myself down before ripping hte deck out of the car the hard way. Far to many variables to play this one.[/quote:5caf8]

one beer does not equal drunk.

Poseidon · 04-05-2005, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Miscguy

[quote:eff21]During questioning, the boy told officers he never planned to take the gun to school, Sharon said.

[quote:eff21]The trade apparently was to have taken place at Sharon's house.[/quote:eff21]

Rather than continuing to store it in the garage, put it somewhere its easily accessed. Somewhere un-suspicious, somewhere that if anyone saw you with the item it would seem normal. Rather than the two boys going out to the garage and then coming back into the house, which might seem a bit odd, or stur up questions.

What i dont get is why did the mom call the teacher? Why didnt she call oh i dont know, THE PARENT of the other kid. I mean her son obviously is willing to talk about the matter, it wouldnt be hard to get "lil jimmys" phone number/address and deal with it yourself.

Aside from the "theft" of the gun, which could be delt with by the grandfather, IE hitting, i dont see the crime. Sounds like a case of "pre-crime" They saw the posibility of it happening, prevented it, and yet are still having some form of litigation over it.

Frankly school needs to stay the hell out of kids lives except for the 6 or so hours that there actually there. This shit about how everything a kid does now in life some how gets him punished by his school is bullshit. So what you got a MIP on a saturday night, what the fuck does that have to do with your school. NOTHING, whats the point of suspending you? Punishment? Thats what i thought the POLICE would take care of with there fines and assorted torturous legal techneques. The way i see it, and i'll dig into my deep understanding of highschoolers/jrhigh kids minds, is that if you can go drinking and it gets you suspended (IE get out of school free card) arnt you truly winning twice? One, you get to drink, two, you wont have to go to school for a few days because they wont "let" you. The only downside is the police activity involved. Most kids wouldnt go to school if they didnt have to, so saying there not allowed to, well shit, thats a god aweful "punishment".[/quote:eff21]

EXACTLY!!! beer:

CoMaToSe · 04-05-2005, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyro

Short Hand is right...if you're in your car and have keys on you while drunk...even if you have no intent of driving and ar ejustt aking a nap or something, you can be aressted for that. The kid had a gun in his backpack...which shows some intention at least.

No guns = no suspension...kid and his grandfather deserve it.

Pyri <3 Shorthand oOo:

Of course u two always agree

Pyro · 04-05-2005, 12:01 PM

Well Im agreeing with the law...as I know it exists.

Hell, solve everything and put the grandfather in jail.

Sgt>Stackem · 04-05-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyro

Well Im agreeing with the law...as I know it exists.

Hell, solve everything and put the grandfather in jail.

the grandfather did nothing wrong. He was a victim of a robbery. The gun and ammo were stored in different areas. The gun was stolen. The ammo was stolen. The only thing he didnt do was report the robbery.

Short Hand · 04-05-2005, 12:51 PM

So let me get this straight, If you all beleive that the child should not be charged, or the dui should not be issued for sitting in your car drunk ? then should some one get off on attempted murder ? It is the exact same idea... just not as severe.

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the grandfather did nothing wrong. He was a victim of a robbery. The gun and ammo were stored in different areas. The gun was stolen. The ammo was stolen. The only thing he didnt do was report the robbery.[/quote:86884]

more like the victim of being old and senile. rolleyes: .

Pyro · 04-05-2005, 12:55 PM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":07650]

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Originally Posted by Pyro

Well Im agreeing with the law...as I know it exists.

Hell, solve everything and put the grandfather in jail.

the grandfather did nothing wrong. He was a victim of a robbery. The gun and ammo were stored in different areas. The gun was stolen. The ammo was stolen. The only thing he didnt do was report the robbery.[/quote:07650]

Stolen by his grandson and shit...if a family memeber who is not of legal age can get possession of a firearm, the caregiver/guardian is not providing the duty of care that comes with having kids.

Sgt>Stackem · 04-05-2005, 02:05 PM

[quote="Short Hand":5ff11]So let me get this straight, If you all beleive that the child should not be charged, or the dui should not be issued for sitting in your car drunk ? then should some one get off on attempted murder ? It is the exact same idea... just not as severe.

[quote:5ff11]
the grandfather did nothing wrong. He was a victim of a robbery. The gun and ammo were stored in different areas. The gun was stolen. The ammo was stolen. The only thing he didnt do was report the robbery.[/quote:5ff11]

more like the victim of being old and senile. rolleyes: .[/quote:5ff11]

no sir, if you are charged with attempted murder then you attempted to do it. You did something that almost took someones life. If you shoot someone and it wounds them you have tried to murder them. if you put a stolen gun in a backpack it is much different. being old and senile is not a crime. If I follow your logic I should be able to sue Dodge, my speedometer goes to 85mph and our speed limit is 70mph. Is Dodge making me speed?

I am not saying the kid should get off free, he is guilty of a crime, just punish him for the correct violation not conjecture

Short Hand · 04-05-2005, 02:07 PM

So, what if you draw up the plans to kill some one ? but you never pu your plan into action ? Or you planned on killing them ? (eg, you went out and bought all the items you needed to kill this person, but have not pulled off the act yet ?

Sgt>Stackem · 04-05-2005, 02:37 PM

[quote="Short Hand":b7ea3]So, what if you draw up the plans to kill some one ? but you never pu your plan into action ? Or you planned on killing them ? (eg, you went out and bought all the items you needed to kill this person, but have not pulled off the act yet ?[/quote:b7ea3]

sorry, its not a crime (unless your in highschool)

Zoner · 04-05-2005, 02:38 PM

That wouldn't be considered "Conspiracy to commit murder"? That's a crime, innit?

Pyro · 04-05-2005, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoner

That wouldn't be considered "Conspiracy to commit murder"? That's a crime, innit?

Well...if it involevs a gun...it seems many people like stackem doens't think it could possibly a crime.

Johnj · 04-05-2005, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoner

That wouldn't be considered "Conspiracy to commit murder"? That's a crime, innit?

A conspiracy requires at least two people to conspire together to commit another crime.

Sgt>Stackem · 04-05-2005, 04:32 PM

if thoughts are punishable by law we all are in trouble, what were you thinking last time you saw the Texas Cowboy Cheerleaders

Tripper · 04-05-2005, 04:40 PM

[quote=Pyro]

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Originally Posted by Miscguy

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Originally Posted by "Short Hand":0476d

no thats the fucking law. No assuming within the logic. your drunk, your in a car.You plan on driving. You put a gun in your backpack, you plan on doing something with it.

You just assumed i was going to drive. Can you read my mind? Perhaps i just got home, im just sitting in my car cause im to drunk to stagger in. You didnt catch me on the road, nothing says you should be able to bust me sitting in my driveway. Burdon of proof would be a bitch on this one.

"well we stopped the subject while he was drinking in his car in his driveway... he was going to go somewhere i could feel it" "i could see the keys in his pocket with my X-ray vision."

Maybe im installing a new stereo and its being a bitch so im having a beer to calm myself down before ripping hte deck out of the car the hard way. Far to many variables to play this one.

one beer does not equal drunk.[/quote:0476d]

oOo:

You're missing the point, Pyro.....If he had just polished off 12 beers and decided he was gonna go out to his car and fix his radio, you think it would be any different?
I think it's absurd that you can get a DUI just for sitting in a car.

I mean, sure I'd understand some cops coming to check on a dude, and even taking the keys off of him if it looked suspiscious, but actually charging someone on a DUI for that is nuts.