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c312 · 07-25-2005, 02:48 PM

well I agree, it would be great to find a solution in new technologies, and the president has pushed for developing hydrogen car technology. I definately think that is the best option for the future. The problem is, I am not sure how close those goals are to being realized. It may take decades and decades for all of those new technologies to be developed and put into effect in a practical way. I'm saying that until then, we should decrease our dependence for foreign oil because that would make the middle east much less powerful and less of a focal point in the world which would be a good thing for everybody.

ninty · 07-25-2005, 02:54 PM

OK, I understand what your saying now.

However, I think this image speaks for itself:

[img]http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/colombia/images/map04.gif[/img]

As for hydrogen, this is being played as the savior. Hydrogen is merely a form of storing energy, not creating it. Pure hydrogen does not exist in a natural state, it has to be manufactured, and thus it requires energy to produce it. It actually requires more energy to produce it than you get out of it, which makes it inefficient and definitely not a solution.

c312 · 07-25-2005, 03:04 PM

i see. What about that stuff they found in abundance on the moon that doesn't really exist on earth that much? I read something about it recently and I thought they said it could be used as an energy source.

Still, even if those percentages are right, (not saying they aren't), they estimate that in Alaska and off CA coast, there are something like 100 million barrels of oil.

Coleman · 07-25-2005, 03:10 PM

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i see. What about that stuff they found in abundance on the moon that doesn't really exist on earth that much? I read something about it recently and I thought they said it could be used as an energy source.

huh? Transporting things from the moon to earth to use as fuel? eek:

ninty · 07-25-2005, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by c312

i see. What about that stuff they found in abundance on the moon that doesn't really exist on earth that much? I read something about it recently and I thought they said it could be used as an energy source.

huh? Transporting things from the moon to earth to use as fuel? eek:

Yeah...that doesn't really seem all that efficient. How much does a shuttle mission cost?

There very well may be a lot of oil off CA and in Alaska, but if demand keeps rising, your going to need a lot of it. How long will 100 million barrels last?

The US uses 17 million barrels per day, and world consumption was at 77.1 million barrels per day in 96.

http://www.offshore-environment.com/facts.html

c312 · 07-25-2005, 03:19 PM

I don't know about the moon stuff or how efficient it would be, it was just some article I skimmed. Either way, we still need oil, and anyway of getting it instead of the middle east seems to be an idea worthwhile of investigating until we find something else to use as dependable energy

Also, did anyone read that article about the wind power turbines killing thousands of birds in the past year including hundreds of protected birds of prey? I thought that was a little ironic considering the point of the turbines is to collect energy in a environment friendly way.

Madmartagen · 07-25-2005, 10:22 PM

you talking about antimatter?

http://livefromcern.web.cern.ch/livefro ... index.html

c312 · 07-25-2005, 10:26 PM

yeah, that's it happy:

Madmartagen · 07-25-2005, 11:13 PM

hah, cant use antimatter yet man. everything on earth is made up of matter. if antimatter and matter come into contact, they anhiliate eachother. promising thing is that antimatter is nearly 100% efficient where as oil and gas is around less than 10% efficient. if they come up with a way to make a safe way to properly use antimatter, that would be a sight to see.

Short Hand · 07-26-2005, 05:41 AM

1 cubic cm worth of anti-matter has the smae amount of energy as 11 shuttle launches.

c312 · 07-26-2005, 02:41 PM

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hah, cant use antimatter yet man. everything on earth is made up of matter. if antimatter and matter come into contact, they anhiliate eachother. promising thing is that antimatter is nearly 100% efficient where as oil and gas is around less than 10% efficient. if they come up with a way to make a safe way to properly use antimatter, that would be a sight to see.

lol, yeah, i was being sarcastic. If only scotty hadnt just died, he coulda told us how to harvest this "anti-matter". They used to use it on the enterprise right?

KTOG · 07-26-2005, 03:00 PM

Anti matter exist on Earth oOo:

Also:

Burning a kilogram of gasoline produces 4.2×107 J, and nuclear fusion of a kilogram of hydrogen would produce 2.6×1015 J. Not all of that energy can be utilized by any realistic technology, because as much as 50% of energy produced in reactions between nucleons and antinucleons is carried away by neutrinos, so, for all intents and purposes, it can be considered lost.