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Originally Posted by ninty

How old are you?

18

[GordonHall]

Being that the vast majority of registered adult voters are Democrats and the Republicans can still win elections, especially nationally, it says something about how convincing their candidate was when they could has ass swamped any Republican candidate they wanted. For a Republican to win, some Democrats and Independents have to vote for the person.

[KTOG]

Easier to get the polls in a small hoboken town with one street light than in the city

Just kidding happy:

[TGB!]

Originally Posted by ninty

How old are you?

Lame counter.

[Trunks]

Well I have to say I disagree with Bush.(about the millionth time ive said that since he was elected. oOo Ok first of all, the people of America have a right to voice their opinions. This woman has suffered a tradgedy, that I would not wish upon my worst enemies. She has lost her son. She has a right to protest, and she has a right to want the remainder of the US troops to be brought home so more families need not suffer her fate. On the other hand, that is what terrorists want. For America to not be united. And, in a way, when Americans aren't united, they are weakened. But, the fact is, we have over 200 million people living in America, and there is no way every single person is going to, without a question, be united in everything. And that undermines one of the things that makes America so great. People here are allowed to voice their opinions, and are allowed to debate with people who they disagree with. One of the underlying principles on which America was founded on was free speach, and the founding fathers knew, even then, that as a result of free speach America would never be completely united. But thats whats so great about america. It encourages indivisuality. And if we have come to the point, where we cannot voice our opinions about this war, without being accused of weakening the united states as a whole, then the terrorists have done a better job with us then they could ever have hoped.

[Coleman]

[quote:ecb3b]speach, indivisuality[/quote:ecb3b]


I do think this woman is taking advantage of her right.

[GordonHall]

[quote:19dcb]And if we have come to the point, where we cannot voice our opinions about this war, without being accused of weakening the united states as a whole, then the terrorists have done a better job with us then they could ever have hoped.[/quote:19dcb]

Just as she has the right to say that the war is wrong and the troops should come home, Bush has the right to tell people that anti-War protests are hurting progress.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by GordonHall

[quote:132d7]And if we have come to the point, where we cannot voice our opinions about this war, without being accused of weakening the united states as a whole, then the terrorists have done a better job with us then they could ever have hoped.

Just as she has the right to say that the war is wrong and the troops should come home, Bush has the right to tell people that anti-War protests are hurting progress.[/quote:132d7]

He has the right to say it - But it doesn't make it logically correct. Isn't this debate about why it's not? Just like in the other threads the debate was about what was logically wrong about Shehaan's (sp?) argument....

No-one's really arguing about free-speech. The debate in this thread looks as though it was fueled by people assuming that Bush is attempting to urge people to not voice their anti-war opinions. I'm not sure if that's the right thing for a leader of a country to do....But then again, it's not my country. nag:

[GordonHall]

[quote:46675]He has the right to say it - But it doesn't make it logically correct. Isn't this debate about why it's not? Just like in the other threads the debate was about what was logically wrong about Shehaan's (sp?) argument....

No-one's really arguing about free-speech. The debate in this thread looks as though it was fueled by people assuming that Bush is attempting to urge people to not voice their anti-war opinions. I'm not sure if that's the right thing for a leader of a country to do....But then again, it's not my country.[/quote:46675]

Although protests and dissent don't outrightly undermine anything--unless they progress to a phase of violence--battles that are won through mixed opinions take much longer than those where we the populous are convinced of the outcome and have the constitution to go the distance; in this, Bush is unquestionably correct.

The president is not telling people to calm their concerns, nor is he in my opinion inferring it to that extent. He does, however, caution people to be more cautious in the future in how they are voiced. To insurgents, American dissent is viewed as a small victory, because it is the only way they can be victorious. They do not dream of defeating the American forces in open battle, the fight the struggle of the mind and hope to cause enough uproar that the United States leaves dejectedly with its tail between its legs.

[Trunks]

[quote:80926]To insurgents, American dissent is viewed as a small victory.[/quote:80926]That is where I believe you are wrong and right at the same time. On one hand, Im sure insurgents welcome the fact that the US is not united. And on the other hand, isn't that what Bush is saying terrorists hate us for? For our free speach? For our right to disagree, and debate? And yet, k
now he says that those very freedoms weaken us, that is what I dont get.