[elstatec]

Originally Posted by ninty

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=31761

thanks for that, thought there would be some whining to the link i posted about it being from aljazeera.

[quote:8c122]British Prime Minister Tony Blair has said that the military option is not being ruled out. He said the referral of the matter to the United Nations Security Council was only a first step. ''Then we have to decide what measures to take, and we obviously don't rule out any measures at all,'' he said. [/quote:8c122]

hah Britain wont have anything todo with any airstrikes in Iran if the Labour party ever wants to be relected over here.

[quote:8c122]
We would like to send the message to those who claim Iran is searching for nuclear weapons that there is no such policy and this [policy] is illegal and against our religion. - Ahmadinejad

http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/iran/story ... ejad.shtml
(yes its arabic but its there)[/quote:8c122]

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Machette

Come on coleman... happy: biggrin: spank:

i love you machette...you use my love as a weapon. How dare you! spank:

[Machette]

My ideologies will never fade away just like the love I have for you.


Also this is relevant to what I said before.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0, ... 87,00.html

[Nyck]

Originally Posted by Machette

My ideologies will never fade away just like the love I have for you.


Also this is relevant to what I said before.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0, ... 87,00.html

"As diplomats from the US, Europe, Russia, and China prepared to meet today in London to discuss referring Tehran to the UN security council"

Yet its all big bad dummy head USA's fault and deal.

"In a provocative move, Iran also announced plans yesterday to convene a "scientific" conference to examine the evidence supporting the Holocaust. The news comes weeks after President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad provoked a global outcry by describing the slaughter of 6 million Jews by the Nazis in the second world war as a "myth"."


oOo:


"foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki accused the west of over-reacting to Tehran's decision last week to remove UN seals and resume research at a nuclear plant in Natan, when Britain, France and Germany formally abandoned 2½ years of talks and demanded Iran's referral to the UN security council."

and
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0, ... 00,00.html

"The EU, backed by the United States, is calling for an emergency meeting of the UN's nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), to discuss Iran's possible referral to the security council."

^started by Europe not the US

"But he did not withdraw his remarks, warning that Bush and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who on Friday condemned his comments as 'unacceptable', would be tried as 'terrorists' and 'war criminals' due to their support of Israel."

Yea terrorist for not allowing you to wipe a country off the face of the earth

Canada has had enough problems with Iran that I would think you would support it as well.

K thx

enough with the every problem in the world is because of the usa bullshit

[Nyck]

You guys also seem to forget the fact that Iran was a peaceful partner of the West until their former Shah, Mohammed Reza Pahlavi came to the US for cancer treatments.

what happened then? Oh the current regime decided to overthrow his and take the United States Embassy Hostage. FFS Canada pulled completely out of Iran and had no contact with them for 8 YEARS after that.

Stop basing all your beliefs on the present and take a look at what happened. Allowing Iran and its regime to develop a nuclear program would be disasterous. They have already proven how dangerous they can be.

It would be to a lesser degree like allowing Sadaam Hussein Nuclear Capabilities.

Things arent all sunshine and unicorns over there.

[Machette]

U.S.A and Britain installed the Shah as a dictator back in the 50's which was a highly oppressive regime..the reason you installed him you say? Because the PM before that wanted a cut of the oil profits but you couldn't give it to him, oust him instead and put up a puppet government. As far as history goes before that their was no anti-western hate until Ayatollah khomeini led a justifiable revolt against the Shah and led a anti-western approach in his policies. The CIA term "blowback" comes to my mind in this situation. Read your history before saying it ain't the United State's fault. The U.S has made mistakes in its foreign policy and they continue to do so.

[c312]

^ (Nyck's post)

I was gonna make a similar post. elstatec, if you have so much faith in the UN, you should know that they are extremely concerned about Iran having nukes as well and most major members are going to meet very soon to decide what to do about it...


Forget what happened in the past, this is now, the current situation has no solution in the past.

[Nyck]

Im sure this regime is doing Iran much better

Iran's checklist
1. Prove the Holocaust is a myth(even though there is PHYSICAL evidence of its occurance)
2. Develop nuclear program by completely disregarding UN forbidance
3. Wipe Israel off the face of the planet

[Nyck]

Originally Posted by Machette

installed the Shah as a dictator back in the 50's which was a highly oppressive regime..the reason you installed him you say? Because the PM before that wanted a cut of the oil profits but you couldn't give it to him, oust him instead and put up a puppet government. As far as history goes before that their was no anti-western hate until Ayatollah khomeini led a justifiable revolt against the Shah and led a anti-western approach in his policies. The CIA term "blowback" comes to my mind in this situation. Read your history before saying it ain't the United State's fault. The U.S has made mistakes in its foreign policy and they continue to do so.

Yes there have been fuck up Yet in your very statement you start off by saying "U.S.A and Britain..." Yet follow up with "The U.S has made mistakes in its foreign policy and they continue to do so."

every single thing that goes wrong everyone wants to jump on the US and pin the blame conviently on them leaving out your own leaders(elstatec)

[Machette]

Britain came to U.S.A saying how they were worried, but the U.S did everything.

3. Wipe Israel off the face of the planet

Like I said, Ayatollah Khomeini said the same thing...did it happen? No.

I am waiting to see the results from the security council before I continue to enter the arena of a debate.

[elstatec]

Originally Posted by Nyck

Yes there have been fuck up Yet in your very statement you start off by saying "U.S.A and Britain..." Yet follow up with "The U.S has made mistakes in its foreign policy and they continue to do so."

every single thing that goes wrong everyone wants to jump on the US and pin the blame conviently on them leaving out your own leaders(elstatec)

Like machette said = Britain came to U.S.A saying how they were worried, but the U.S did everything.

As an example the UK supported the US in Iraq, but before were pushing Bush not to invade like he did and make him go through the UN, this will probaly be the situation again here if Bush gets impatient.

And unlike you i dont support the leader of my country (even though blair has a partial brain unlike bush), i didnt vote for him, i voted liberal democrats.

[c312]

Why are you leaving the UN out, they are also playing a role in this. Numerous big european countries have become involved

[Whatada]

Uhh, who does need nuclear arms. eek:

[elstatec]

Originally Posted by c312

Why are you leaving the UN out, they are also playing a role in this. Numerous big european countries have become involved

yes but the UN didnt invade Iraq did it? sleeping:

[Nyck]

Originally Posted by Machette

U.S.A and Britain installed the Shah as a dictator back in the 50's which was a highly oppressive regime..the reason you installed him you say? Because the PM before that wanted a cut of the oil profits but you couldn't give it to him, oust him instead and put up a puppet government. As far as history goes before that their was no anti-western hate until Ayatollah khomeini led a justifiable revolt against the Shah and led a anti-western approach in his policies. The CIA term "blowback" comes to my mind in this situation. Read your history before saying it ain't the United State's fault. The U.S has made mistakes in its foreign policy and they continue to do so.

It was a British company(The British Petroleum Company aka BP.) that controlled the oil in Iran. (The British government, at the impetus of Winston Churchill, First Lord of the Admiralty, partly nationalised the company in 1913 in order to secure British-controlled oil supplies for its ships.) When Iran refused an offer for larger revenues(aka oil profits) but instead wanted controlling interest in the company itsself.(this is after already signing a 60 year agreement on the oil) Iran then decided to renig on the deal and nationalize the entire oil industry in Iran. That then totally fucked Iran because no one wanted to buy their oil and their export markets were closed to them and the plant was closed.

US had no hand in this problem at all until the UK came home crying to big brother that the big bad bully took his candy. The US's major concern was Iran getting chummy with then rival USSR and decide to intervene.

Originally Posted by elstatec

And unlike you i dont support the leader of my country (even though blair has a partial brain unlike bush), i didnt vote for him, i voted liberal democrats.

I also voted democrat in the last election. Do I agree with all of Bush's actions? No I don't. However I do see that action needed to be taken and will support him none the less.

Sadaam Hussein Attempted to invade and control another country and was beaten back. He then was killing his own people who he determined "non superior"

Last guy that did that was named Hitler when he decided to invade and control several countries, bomb the living shit out of the UK, and exterminated millions of Jews(which I guess you believe is also a myth now, seeing your new found support for Iranian govt.)

None of the Pussy UN countries were crying then when we were bailing there ass out then.

At the point and time the UN is a complete joke.