[Tripper]

Originally Posted by c312

Brown. heh, how appropriate.

And pyro, I have no clue what point you were trying to make in your previous post.

Brown VS Board Of Education was a Civil Rights issue. It had nothing to do with teaching evolution in school at all. "Most known," God you're a fucking moron Pyro. oOo:

[Stammer]

Originally Posted by c312

there is a difference in intentionally killing a soon to be life and killing someone who killed other people.

So something that isn't even a born human being is more important than the already living? I though all life was cherished? Death is death, life is life. Plus not everyone in a war has killed someone else before. I would be willing to bet that in every war at least one unborn was killed, does that mean war should be banned because of the chance an unborn may be killed?

[Madmartagen]

Originally Posted by c312

Babies are not as abundant as you think.

And what I said is in the case that Pyro suggests, where he mentioned no objection to the actual carrying and birth of a baby, but only to having a kid you don't know in the world. That seems ridiculous to me that you would care that much a baby that you thought about not allowing to live.

thats a good thing then, society doesnt want an abundance of orphan kids around. Im not talking about a situation where a mother is pregnant for 8 months and then has an abortion. That does happen, but im talking about the situation where a girl finds out she's pregnant, realizes that she is not fit to raise and carry a baby, and so she gets an abortion - plain and simple. It doesnt make sense for her to go through an entire pregnancy just to give the baby up for someone else's benefit - thats like me not buying a car because there are people out there who have to ride the bus everyday to work. There may be a girl like that, and thats great for her if shes ok with it and thats great for the adopting family - but again, my entire reasoning of being pro choice is that it is her choice to make. To me, abortion is about the right to have choices.

[Madmartagen]

Originally Posted by Stammer

So something that isn't even a born human being is more important than the already living? I though all life was cherished? Death is death, life is life. Plus not everyone in a war has killed someone else before. I would be willing to bet that in every war at least one unborn was killed, does that mean war should be banned because of the chance an unborn may be killed?

Well you have to understand that not everyone values life in the same way as you. There is a solution for this problem that caters to everyones needs. If you think abortion is bad, then dont get one. If you think it may be a good decision for you, then go for it. everyone wins in this case.

[c312]

Originally Posted by Tripper

Brown VS Board Of Education was a Civil Rights issue. It had nothing to do with teaching evolution in school at all. "Most known," God you're a fucking moron Pyro. oOo:

yeah, definately only read the first part and immediately jumped to Brown, whoops.

And Stammer, a baby dying in war is different, that's an accident so it really can't be compared to what we're talking about here.

And I hate getting caught up on this "a fetus isn't a baby" thing because it seems like a load of crap. If a car plant is making a car, for all intensive purposes, while the chassis is being assembled, you can count it for production as a car.

This is a stupid argument, no one is gonna change their opinion so it's pretty dumb to try to argue all of this.

[Johnj]

I heard about this thing call "birth control". It's like a pill or something that a girl can take to keep from getting preggers.

Also a guy can wear a rubber. Those things can keep a girl from getting pregnant and keep your cock from picking up some disease from the slut.

You can always spurt all over the ho's face. She won't get knocked up from cum in the eye.

[Madmartagen]

birth control and condoms dont always work, what happens if the girl still gets pregnant? even the most responsible couple can end up having a pregnancy. the debate isnt about whether its an evil or immoral thing, it should be about choices. no one said getting an abortion was the easy way out and it certainly isnt easy. its a last ditch effort to get out of a situation that can ruin your life. opinions on whether its moral or immoral are irrelevant imo - i dont think anyone has the right to tell another what they can and cant do with their own body.

[c312]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

birth control and condoms dont always work, what happens if the girl still gets pregnant? even the most responsible couple can end up having a pregnancy. the debate isnt about whether its an evil or immoral thing, it should be about choices. no one said getting an abortion was the easy way out and it certainly isnt easy. its a last ditch effort to get out of a situation that can ruin your life. opinions on whether its moral or immoral are irrelevant imo - i dont think anyone has the right to tell another what they can and cant do with their own body.

the other side of the argument is that the fetus should have the right to live also, it's not only about the mother, it's about the baby that she has created accidentaly, even though she knew it was a possibility when she decided to have sex.

[Madmartagen]

Originally Posted by c312

the other side of the argument is that the fetus should have the right to live also, it's not only about the mother, it's about the baby that she has created accidentaly, even though she knew it was a possibility when she decided to have sex.

true, but the fetus is a part of the mother. giving birth is a biological event that happens to her. whether or not a fetus could be considered a human or not, the mother is the host. like all things in nature, a host determines whether its parasite (for the lack of a better word) lives on. the mother is already a breathing and free thinking being. you cannot put the interests of something that has neither the capacity to survive on its own, yet alone think and feel, before the wishes of someone who can. it isnt logical.

[Jin-Roh]

im pregnant with milla's child...


who wouldn't...

[tomxtr]

I think its morally bankrupt, but I don't feel comfortable telling others that they can't do it. Partial-birth abortions are another story though. They should be outlawed. If you wait until the baby is viable outside of the womb and essentially ice-pick its brain after the baby's head is out, you deserve spank:.

[Pyro]

Well fuck...it was another one then lol

don't hate, appreciate.

[c312]

I was thinking about this and I think I know what bothers me about abortion. It causes lack of responsibility. People in America already don't take responsibility for what they do, and abortion just gives them a way out of taking responsibility for their actions, I guess I just feel that it is a way for people to live like sluts and not have to worry about any consequences and that bothers me.

[Madmartagen]

so that means that every girl that you (or anyone else) has slept with is a whore because they wanted to have sex w/o getting pregnant. women have a right to have unconsequential sex just like men do. whats the first thing thats gonna cross the mind when youre 20 and some chick you hooked up with says "im pregnant." i bet 9 out of 10 times its going to be looking for a way out. people use condoms and birth control becuase they dont want kids at the moment. those methods arent 100% effective. if they get pregnant by accident - the intent to not have kids is still there. Getting an abortion IS taking responsibility just as much as putting a kid up for adoption or raising the kid herself or with her bf or parents. as long as the parent doesnt drop that kid off and expect me or someone else to raise that baby, that person is taking responsibility.

[c312]

It's just a difference in opinion, in this issue more than others...