[c312]

ok, no, I don't. I think we need to be stricter on the borders so not as many illegals can come in though.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by c312

the way they did the flag business was disrespectful, that's my main point, along with their other actions, it just seemed what they did was ironic, that's all.

It's not disrespectful - YOU think it's disrespectful - and I'd say you were probably in a minority...

If I saw people protesting against my government, I wouldn't take offense to them turning the flag upside down - I'd think, 'Hey, at least they have enough respect to not set the flag on fire or walk all over it.'

I see absolutely nothing wrong with that....It's a non-violent, non-offensive way of making a visual protest against a countires government.

I think you just have a problem with people criticising your country in any manner...I call that TOO much pride...
It's good to be proud of your nation, but when you support it to the degree that it makes you angry and pissed off at people who turn THE FLAG upside down, I'd say you need to rethink your patriotism.

[c312]

Originally Posted by Tripper

It's not disrespectful - YOU think it's disrespectful - and I'd say you were probably in a minority...

If I saw people protesting against my government, I wouldn't take offense to them turning the flag upside down - I'd think, 'Hey, at least they have enough respect to not set the flag on fire or walk all over it.'

I see absolutely nothing wrong with that....It's a non-violent, non-offensive way of making a visual protest against a countires government.

I think you just have a problem with people criticising your country in any manner...I call that TOO much pride...
It's good to be proud of your nation, but when you support it to the degree that it makes you angry and pissed off at people who turn THE FLAG upside down, I'd say you need to rethink your patriotism.

no, you, being a foreigner, are unaware of the rules of flag etiquette that apply to the American flag. It is disrespectful. If you don't beleive me about the flag etiquette, look it up, it's kind of a big deal, not so much as it used to be, but many people still know at least some of the general rules regarding the treatment of the American flag. One of the primary rules is that the US flag should be higher than other flags flying on the same post or building. That's because it's supposed to be regarded as the highest, and with the most respect. Therefore, putting the Mexican flag above the US flag is disrespecting it. And yes, I am patriotic, but I'm not overly patriotic, I don't care if people criticize the country, but the way they did it was just stupid, illogical, and ironic to me, I don't care about the fact that they did it, it's just that they made fun of the country that harbored them after they fled their own country because of it's poor living conditions, it's just stupid, that's all, it was ironic and humouros on their part.

[url=http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html:b1036]US Flag rules[/url:b1036]

[url=http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/etiquette/2_e.cfm:b1036]Canada has similar flag rules[/url:b1036]

[Madmartagen]

i would say that expecting protesters to abide by flag rules is overly patriotic

[Nyck]

2 machine gun nests and a moat full of aligators. problem solved

Originally Posted by Machette

I read somewhere that illegals can sign up for the military..is this false? eek:

You must be a US Citizen to join the military...

We came to the USA legally, well kind of. Back in those days when the Soviet Union was still in existance, we got a guest pass to the USA...Like a student visa, a temporary thing for about a year. During that year, we stayed with relatives and got our documents and I became a resident alien...I had to live in USA for 10 years to get my citizenship, which I did in 2004.

My view on this? Play in the green card lotto and hope to God you get a green card.

Also, I fucking hate how people who have never been to america bash it...

[Madmartagen]

you have to be a citizen to be an officer, not to enlist. local news did a story on a kid who was KIA in iraq. they gave him citizenship postumously (sp?) and to his wife and family for his service.

[Machette]

Originally Posted by Acideyez

Also, I fucking hate how people who have never been to america bash it...

I lived in Georgia for a short while. And why is it wrong for anyone to criticize anothers country? rolleyes:

[Jin-Roh]

Mexico is going to invade the US from the inside! cuss:

Nyck, I agree. We'll have a meeting and we will send our ideas to the president.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by c312

no, you, being a foreigner, are unaware of the rules of flag etiquette that apply to the American flag. It is disrespectful. If you don't beleive me about the flag etiquette, look it up, it's kind of a big deal, not so much as it used to be, but many people still know at least some of the general rules regarding the treatment of the American flag. One of the primary rules is that the US flag should be higher than other flags flying on the same post or building. That's because it's supposed to be regarded as the highest, and with the most respect. Therefore, putting the Mexican flag above the US flag is disrespecting it. And yes, I am patriotic, but I'm not overly patriotic, I don't care if people criticize the country, but the way they did it was just stupid, illogical, and ironic to me, I don't care about the fact that they did it, it's just that they made fun of the country that harbored them after they fled their own country because of it's poor living conditions, it's just stupid, that's all, it was ironic and humouros on their part.

[url=http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html:6afba]US Flag rules[/url:6afba]

[url=http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/etiquette/2_e.cfm:6afba]Canada has similar flag rules[/url:6afba]

LOL @ bold.

[1080jibber]

I bet ya that if they were muslim, the equivalent to the Berlin wall would be put up across that boarder.

[c312]

[quote=Tripper]

Originally Posted by c312

no, you, being a foreigner, are unaware of the rules of flag etiquette that apply to the American flag. It is disrespectful. If you don't beleive me about the flag etiquette, look it up, it's kind of a big deal, not so much as it used to be, but many people still know at least some of the general rules regarding the treatment of the American flag. One of the primary rules is that the US flag should be higher than other flags flying on the same post or building. That's because it's supposed to be regarded as the highest, and with the most respect. Therefore, putting the Mexican flag above the US flag is disrespecting it. And yes, I am patriotic, but I'm not overly patriotic, I don't care if people criticize the country, but the way they did it was just stupid, illogical, and ironic to me, I don't care about the fact that they did it, it's just that they made fun of the country that harbored them after they fled their own country because of it's poor living conditions, it's just stupid, that's all, it was ironic and humouros on their part.

[url=http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html:a0eb6]US Flag rules[/url:a0eb6]

[url=http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/etiquette/2_e.cfm:a0eb6]Canada has similar flag rules[/url:a0eb6]

LOL @ bold.[/quote:a0eb6]

you can bold anything you want to make it say what you want, but you're taking it out of context and distorting what I was saying. Here's what I'm trying to say. What they did to the flags IS disrespectful, you are wrong, but I'll give you that because you didn't know about american flag rules. As for me caring about them being disrespectful, I don't. I just think that the way illegals are making fun of America under their circumstances makes them look stupid and isn't very smart on their part. I don't care that they are doing it, it doesn't offend me, it's just funny that they are doing it. They can be disrespectful all they want, that's their right, it's just funny that they did it the way they did.

There, maybe that's more clear.

[Coleman]

tripper, also another thing that c is trying to point out is that it should be higher than other flags yes... In other words, you can't put the confederate flag or your state flag above the national flag. I think he meant to say it that way than having a meaning of "The US is the best. We're bad ass. You can't be better than us."

[Madmartagen]

again, it was a protest - rules and etiquette are generally not followed when people are protesting.

[Machette]

It's a shame when individual citizens don't follow the rules, disobey the flag, they need to go to jail. But when the government does it, breaking the consititution...well it's okay they get a free ride because its for a cause. rolleyes: