[Totenkopf]

[quote="Old Reliable":ede3c]what's an article 15?[/quote:ede3c]

In dry terms:

Offenses punishable under article 15. Article 15 gives a commanding officer power to punish individuals for minor offenses. The term minor offense" has been the cause of some concern in the administration of NJP. Article 15, UCMJ, and Part V, para. 1e, MCM (1998 ed.), indicate that the term "minor offense" means misconduct normally not more serious than that usually handled at summary court-martial (where the maximum punishment is thirty days' confinement). These sources also indicate that the nature of the offense and the circumstances surrounding its commission are also factors which should be considered in determining whether an offense is minor in nature. The term "minor offense" ordinarily does not include misconduct which, if tried by general court-martial, could be punished by a dishonorable discharge or confinement for more than one year. The military services, however, have taken the position that the final determination as to whether an offense is "minor" is within the sound discretion of the commanding officer.

Basically in my case it was getting drunk and challenging NCO's to fights cuz I thought they were dumb...which some of them were. Then my CO get's pissy, gives me an article 15, I am stuck with 15, 18 hour days of pulling weeds, or digging ditches, or whatever asinine task they can come up with. Fun stuff.

[Pfc.Green]

[quote="The ED! Foundation":a009a]
Are you kidding me?

What then, Mr. Green, contributed to the success of white-America during the 17 to 1800's. Please tell me that. Cause since you seem to KNOW for a FACT that I am wrong you gotta help me out here.

As for WWII and the United States economic recovery...

[url="http://www.encyclopediabritanica.com"]http://www.encyclopediabritanica.com[/url]

Do a bit of the research through glasses that are anything BUT rose tinted. I think you will find that it is very clear that WAR carried the nation OUT of its depression. Not innovative new business models. Not new thinkings. WAR.[/quote:a009a]

Are you ignorant or were you born stupid? I will quote you, and you should take your own advice, "READ THE FUCKING REPLY" I have already said that slavery did contribute to the wealth of the nation, but it was not the only reason, as you seem to believe, Northern industry NOT SLAVERY BASED also kept the country going, a bit more so than slavery. And now you've gone from insults and thinking you know all, to putting words in peoples mouths I HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT WWII GOT THIS COUNTRY UP AND RUNNING and that war is good for the economy, I'd like to assume that your just stupid, but its more likely that your just ignorant.

[Old Reliable]

that doesnt sound so good, well joining the military is #2 on top of my career list now, hopefully i wouldnt get any 15s oOo:

[Tripper]

[quote:533d7]that doesnt sound so good, well joining the military is #2 on top of my career list now, hopefully i wouldnt get any 15s [/quote:533d7]

Just don't call anyone that needs help a "retard."

[Old Reliable]

Originally Posted by Tripper

[quote:178a9]that doesnt sound so good, well joining the military is #2 on top of my career list now, hopefully i wouldnt get any 15s

Just don't call anyone that needs help a "retard."[/quote:178a9]

i'll look into that cool:

[The ED! Foundation]

[quote:0732e]Are you ignorant or were you born stupid? I will quote you, and you should take your own advice, "READ THE FUCKING REPLY" I have already said that slavery did contribute to the wealth of the nation, but it was not the only reason, as you seem to believe, Northern industry NOT SLAVERY BASED also kept the country going, a bit more so than slavery. And now you've gone from insults and thinking you know all, to putting words in peoples mouths I HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT WWII GOT THIS COUNTRY UP AND RUNNING and that war is good for the economy, I'd like to assume that your just stupid, but its more likely that your just ignorant.[/quote:0732e]

Now youre just tossing vagueries out there so that you cant get caught in specifics...you want to talk about what wasn't a factor but cant give me any example - other than the "industrious" north, which was fueled by what, high paid comfortable immigrants? - of what allowed this nation to get where it was pre-slavery, and post-WWII.

You can sit there and spout out "God complex' all you want because someone has a dissenting opinion from yours, and think that yes, that is how you act in real life, or you can accept the fact that there just be a LITTLE More to things than you have ALLOWED yourself to know.

[quote:0732e]Here is my take Ed.

Slavery fueled an agricultural based economy in the south. The weath of America was based in the industrial North. That industry was built on the backs of irish and italian immigrants (among others) that were treated only slightly better than slaves.[/quote:0732e]

Unfortunately I used the term "slaves" which has become synonomous with "black". The simple fact is, there was NO protection afforded to non-white Americans back in the good ol days, and this base of cheap labor - much as it does now - allowed an already bustling economy bustle even faster. Without equality in the workplace or protection against explotation, American business was free to exploit and use entire races to further its own economic ends. Just because the North was the home of "industry" doesn't mean it was free of its own "slave-labor".

[quote:0732e]Yes, slaves fueled a southern economy, but that economy was small in comparision to the north. The end of slavery crushed teh economy of the south, yet the north continued as always. That tells me that slavery was not the force behind the rise of a nation. It was only barely economically viable before the cival war.[/quote:0732e]

I dont doubt this at all, HOWEVER it CAN NOT be argued that slavery allowed the quick rise of America that it did.

There is a website which goes into detail about this, but it isnt as "professional" as some of you might like so I will find another more respectable website that agrees with my opinion.

SLAVERY in a nutshell allowed for the easy growth of this nation, and the fact that the nation was still standing is only a testament to the structure that was in place, not the factors that contributed to its existence.

No, Ed. You are not the only person here to have ever read a book.[/quote]

[Totenkopf]

Originally Posted by Tripper

[quote:fc432]that doesnt sound so good, well joining the military is #2 on top of my career list now, hopefully i wouldnt get any 15s

Just don't call anyone that needs help a "retard."[/quote:fc432]

And definitely don't call your superior a "retard". biggrin:

[Pfc.Green]

[quote="The ED! Foundation":aca7f]

Now youre just tossing vagueries out there so that you cant get caught in specifics...you want to talk about what wasn't a factor but cant give me any example - other than the "industrious" north, which was fueled by what, high paid comfortable immigrants? - of what allowed this nation to get where it was pre-slavery, and post-WWII.

You can sit there and spout out "God complex' all you want because someone has a dissenting opinion from yours, and think that yes, that is how you act in real life, or you can accept the fact that there just be a LITTLE More to things than you have you have ALLOWED yourself to know.[/quote:aca7f]

So you can have a dissenting opinion but I cant? thats abit hypocritical god, I dont believe the same things you do, yet when you dissagree with me, you yell that I'm not allowing a dissenting opinion...but when I dissagree with you I must be covering something up. Just because I believe that Slavery was not the sole, or the most major factor in the rise of the U.S. does not make me wrong? And I have never said that you were WRONG in saying that slavery contributed to the rise of the U.S. and the war also did, I have just disagreed on the on how much slavery did, where you believe it was the most important factor in our rise, I do not, it take a hell of alot more than slaves to make a country. Once again you are trying to play god, "ALLOWED yourself to know." I never deny myself knowledge and you are NO ONE, NO ONE to tell me so.