Noctis youre a member of ProtestWarrior.com right, would you happen to know a guy nicknamed "Elac" ?

[Chango]

[quote="Eight Ace":08eef]

Originally Posted by Chango

So you're saying that because Muslim Countries don't have civil liberties,
all Muslims, even those in (supposed) free countries don't deserve to have them?

I'm sure muslims living in western countries will experience more civil liberties
than they would have in their country of origin regardless of this survey.
Heaven forbid that the people surveyed should express an opinion about
whats going on in their own country. eek:

Perhaps you could answer for me why it is that these measures are even being
talked about in America, and already being inacted throughout Europe?

Did everyone suddenly become racist like me (according to pyro) or religiously intolerant
of muslims just for fun?....or do you think there might just be a little more to it than that?

I would be interested in your opinion on this.[/quote:08eef]

I was actually just seeing what your actual opinion on that was, so you could clear the baseless accusation that you are a racist. (instead of reacting angrily.)

People are certainly entitled to their opinion (even if it isn't neccesarily a fair one), but if a politician decides to use these opinions to create a law, and gets enough support to get it enacted. Then once again a group of people will suffer just because they are a certain religion. However this is highly unlikely, but its still enough to raise concern.

The main reason for why this is being talked about is simply because of 9/11. After it was revealed that Muslim terrorist were the cause of the attacks, people began to fear Muslims in general, and began to pay more attention to Muslim countries. Because most of the news in relation to these countries is mostly negative (and rightly so) and because that news is based mostly on the actions of the leaders and the leader's followers, people began to assume that all Muslims were like those leaders and thus the fear increased and in some cases eventually turned into hatred.

[Maplegyver]

good.

[Drew]

Originally Posted by Tripper

Granted that you're right about how everyone jumps at America first these days, you didn't express your opinion on the issue....I mean, I think people just assumed that you were in support of it....Assumption is correct?

Actually I'm a bit for and a bit against depending on the issue. I, for one, support profiling so long as it is non-intrusive. I see no reason why the government should be disallowed from keeping a closer eye on people of certain nationalities if said nationalities are exponentially more likely to be involved in terrorism. And don't anyone try and spin what I said. I'm not saying that all Muslims or Arabs are terrorists. What I am saying is, if you caught 100 terrorists and 95 of them are Arab or Muslim, you need to be gearing your investigative and protective branches around that. My views on this are much more in depth, but that's the gist of it. Other than that, though, I don't really see the need to curtail any other civil liberties.

[Quze]

Are they just planning to monitor the muslims? That isn't so bad.

[pest]

Originally Posted by Noctis

What pisses me off is that everyone is screaming for the heads of Americans, meanwhile most of Europe is already passing laws similar to what is being discussed. Go scream at France, Germany or the UK until we catch up.

It's just to the point where certain people will find any excuse whatsoever to hate America. It all boils down to penis envy, apparently.

Everyone mark their calendars, I actually agree with noctis. Check back again in 7 years. +1

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by pest

Everyone mark their calendars, I actually agree with noctis. Check back again in 7 years. +1

Well right now the U.S is the center of the planet in terms of media coverage....Not only that, but it's the biggest super power, with the most active foreign policy in the world.

....Of course people are going to pay more attention to the U.S than other countries like France, Germany etc...

[Drew]

Originally Posted by Tripper

Well right now the U.S is the center of the planet in terms of media coverage....Not only that, but it's the biggest super power, with the most active foreign policy in the world.

....Of course people are going to pay more attention to the U.S than other countries like France, Germany etc...

I would like to note that Kiwis and Aussies are my favorite people in the world. +1 to Tripper for being one and +1 to Eight Ace tomorrow.

[Drew]

Originally Posted by Acideyez

Noctis youre a member of ProtestWarrior.com right, would you happen to know a guy nicknamed "Elac" ?

I don't think I do, Acid. Any idea what chapter he's in?

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Noctis

I would like to note that Kiwis and Aussies are my favorite people in the world. +1 to Tripper for being one and +1 to Eight Ace tomorrow.

lol

[Mr.Buttocks]

Originally Posted by Coleman

lol

For fuck's sake Coleman. annoy:

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Noctis

I would like to note that Kiwis and Aussies are my favorite people in the world. +1 to Tripper for being one and +1 to Eight Ace tomorrow.

+1 for j00 biggrin:

[Coleman]

[quote="Mr.Buttocks":ff8bf]

Originally Posted by Coleman

lol

For fuck's sake Coleman. annoy:[/quote:ff8bf]+1