[Jimbo@]

Originally Posted by Coleman

Every great movie has a great soundtrack to go along with it. This was the first time that I heard a John Williams' score and felt that it was insufficient.

I could pick out many points in the first half hour of the movie where I would insert some music selections. Music doesn't have to overpower the acting. That's not the purpose of music. Music is to give another edge, another flare of excitement, suspense, what have you.

It seems to me, Vance, that you think music is supposed 'to sound good to the ear' and all of that. People think of music as being all consonance. dissonance is what makes music interesting. When you hear some 4-3 suspensions (creates dissonance and eventually gives a great resolution feel once it's resolves to the 3rd scale degree). Things like this aren't worth arguing since you don't know what I'm saying. I'm not calling you ignorant or anything; I'm just saying there is no purpose in making a long drawn-out arguement to an uninformed person.

If you're gonna judge a movie just because of it's music...well then thats just lame.

[Coleman]

[quote="Jimbo@":2f91f]

Originally Posted by Coleman

Every great movie has a great soundtrack to go along with it. This was the first time that I heard a John Williams' score and felt that it was insufficient.

I could pick out many points in the first half hour of the movie where I would insert some music selections. Music doesn't have to overpower the acting. That's not the purpose of music. Music is to give another edge, another flare of excitement, suspense, what have you.

It seems to me, Vance, that you think music is supposed 'to sound good to the ear' and all of that. People think of music as being all consonance. dissonance is what makes music interesting. When you hear some 4-3 suspensions (creates dissonance and eventually gives a great resolution feel once it's resolves to the 3rd scale degree). Things like this aren't worth arguing since you don't know what I'm saying. I'm not calling you ignorant or anything; I'm just saying there is no purpose in making a long drawn-out arguement to an uninformed person.

If you're gonna judge a movie just because of it's music...well then thats just lame.[/quote:2f91f]I never said the movie sucked because the music sucked. THe music was just one of the reasons why I thought War of the Worlds shouldn't be built up the way the media has been playing it to be. The unanswered questions, lack of key camera angle shots, non effective music, and unrealistic character abilites (getting out of every dangerous situation. Almost like "Dante's Peak" with Pierce Brosnan sp?) prevented the movie from standing out from any other movie on my list.

[CoMaToSe]

Originally Posted by Coleman

This was the first time that I heard a John Williams' score and felt that it was insufficient.

Errm... Jurassic Park 3?

[Vance]

Originally Posted by Coleman

Music doesn't have to overpower the acting. That's not the purpose of music. Music is to give another edge, another flare of excitement, suspense, what have you.

This is exactly why there is no music through the opening of the movie.

I love soundtracks, I have a whole bunch of them, often they are the only kind of music I buy (Anything else I'll just download) and for me not to hear any music during the first part was an excellent choice, in my opinion.





*MAYBE SOME SPOLIERS*





I am talking mainly about the scene in which they discover the aliens underground, and the tripod comes out, and it creates a small earthquake in the process, and you see cars flying and people watch this thing that they've never in their wildest dreams have seen, fold out into this odd-looking tripod thing making weird noises and such. There is no music here because the director wants you to hear all of those sounds, and the buildings shattering, and the people screaming. He wants you to feel like you're actually there, watching with those people, wondering what it is. There is absolutely NO music until the Heat-Ray begins to fire on people and people start running and dying, and then the panicky frightening music kicks in.

This is almost the same thing with Saving Private Ryan, there is no music during the first 30 minutes of Omaha Beach , because it would ruin the realism and terrifying nature of the scene entirely. And there is hardly and music to that, either. But did it take away from it being a great movie? No, it enhanced it.

This is my opinion.

[Vance]

Originally Posted by Coleman

The unanswered questions

Oh, please...

Originally Posted by Coleman

lack of key camera angle shots

Huh?

Originally Posted by Coleman

non effective music

ok....

Originally Posted by Coleman

and unrealistic character abilites (getting out of every dangerous situation.

I hate to break it to you, but that's the meaning of SUSPENSE.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Vance

Oh, please...
oh please what?

Huh? When robert ran up on the hill, I would have loved to see a shot of the tripods being shot at. All you get to see is the military shooting. Don't give me crap about, 'oh that's so you can get a feel of what the humans were feeling.' I wanted to see a barrage of bombs and bullets hitting those tripods.

ok.... ok

I hate to break it to you, but that's the meaning of SUSPENSE.

no, i'm sorry. That's not the meaning of suspense. HOW THE FUCK DOES ROBERT SURVIVE THAT EXPLOSION ON THE TOP OF THE HILL?!?!?! The fucking hum-v came back flaming. How the hell does Cruise and his daughter get to Boston after the fucking son? I guess the son took a jetpack or something and beat them there.

[CoMaToSe]

no fuckin spoilers with warning tags, duffes

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Vance

I am talking mainly about the scene in which they discover the aliens underground, and the tripod comes out, and it creates a small earthquake in the process, and you see cars flying and people watch this thing that they've never in their wildest dreams have seen, fold out into this odd-looking tripod thing making weird noises and such. There is no music here because the director wants you to hear all of those sounds, and the buildings shattering, and the people screaming. He wants you to feel like you're actually there, watching with those people, wondering what it is. There is absolutely NO music until the Heat-Ray begins to fire on people and people start running and dying, and then the panicky frightening music kicks in.

This is almost the same thing with Saving Private Ryan, there is no music during the first 30 minutes of Omaha Beach , because it would ruin the realism and terrifying nature of the scene entirely. And there is hardly and music to that, either. But did it take away from it being a great movie? No, it enhanced it.

This is my opinion.

Obviously they won't put music on the omaha beach landing. I didn't even notice any music when the lasers cut in. To be totally honest, the first time I heard music was when they discovered the jetplane crashed into the house. That was the first time that I heard anything. Hell, I could have invisioned like a freakin radio song playing while cruise was driving around in his car (that's too picky, but i'm just giving it as an example. It wouldn't really 'enhance' the scene any since he's just driving around.).

As the storm was forming, I could envision some major minor seventh chords being played, or even some thirteenth chords to draw some suspense to it.

[Nyck]

there was music?

[Vance]

Originally Posted by Coleman

I didn't even notice any music when the lasers cut in.

It's not my fault that you didn't pay attention.


Look, at the end of the day, it's a damn movie. I would hate to go to a movie with someone like you, who nitpicks every little thing down to the detail. You're sounding like a woman. rolleyes: Just enjoy it for what it's worth.

[Blase]

Originally Posted by Vance

It's not my fault that you didn't pay attention.


Look, at the end of the day, it's a damn movie. I would hate to go to a movie with someone like you, who nitpicks every little thing down to the detail. You're sounding like a woman. rolleyes: Just enjoy it for what it's worth.

You gay, He's just critizing it AFTER he had seen the movie. I hardly doubt he was sitting in the theaters going, "OH MY FUCKING GOD WHERE THE FUCK IS THE MUSIC THIS MOVIE SUCKS I WANT MY MONEY BACK".

This is a thread to discuss/criticize the movie, and he's simply saying what he would have thought would have made it better. He's not saying that more music would have been the universially accepted opinion on how to make this movie more kick ass. So stop being a little dick about it and accept that mabye he thought it needed music, and you didn't. Big fucking deal.

[Vance]

Originally Posted by Blase

You gay, He's just critizing it AFTER he had seen the movie. I hardly doubt he was sitting in the theaters going, "OH MY FUCKING GOD WHERE THE FUCK IS THE MUSIC THIS MOVIE SUCKS I WANT MY MONEY BACK."

I beg to differ.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Blase

You gay, He's just critizing it AFTER he had seen the movie. I hardly doubt he was sitting in the theaters going, "OH MY FUCKING GOD WHERE THE FUCK IS THE MUSIC THIS MOVIE SUCKS I WANT MY MONEY BACK".

This is a thread to discuss/criticize the movie, and he's simply saying what he would have thought would have made it better. He's not saying that more music would have been the universially accepted opinion on how to make this movie more kick ass. So stop being a little dick about it and accept that mabye he thought it needed music, and you didn't. Big fucking deal.

blase said it pretty much. Thanks for saving me a minute in typing time. beer:

Vance, you need to get passed the fact that the soundtrack was just 1 small reason why i didn't find the movie 'great' like the critics built it up to be. I didn't feel like i wasted an hour and half of my life away; it's just that I wouldn't go back to see it again.

[Vance]

[quote:1bbbf]Vance, you need to get passed the fact that the soundtrack was just 1 small reason why i didn't find the movie 'great' like the critics built it up to be.[/quote:1bbbf]
I did, that's why I said

[quote:1bbbf]Look, at the end of the day, it's a damn movie. I would hate to go to a movie with someone like you, who nitpicks every little thing down to the detail.[/quote:1bbbf]

Let's just end it.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Vance

[quote:5e202]Vance, you need to get passed the fact that the soundtrack was just 1 small reason why i didn't find the movie 'great' like the critics built it up to be.

I did, that's why I said
[/quote:5e202]obviously you didn't b/c you keep bringing up the how I didn't like the music. Yeah, it was bad, but not the main reason for my overall thoughts.